Senate Healthcare Bill Thread - UPDATE: 9/26 Graham-Cassidy Bill is Offically DEAD! Free Daps/Reps!

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theres clowns in this thread who understand how shyt works at exactly the same level as cheeto.
how do any of these people manage to cross the street?
the stupidity, the ignorance, the bliss.
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They are really stupid because the only goal is to try to change your mind or laugh if you get frustrated from their tactics. They serve no real purpose. Imagine how empty their lives must be to constantly get online and spam bullshyt :mindblown:
 

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Not basing this on estimates, though you're wrong about "completely off" and neglecting the reason.

I'm basing this on basic economics. If you tell an industry they are losing millions of customers then that means they scale back production, work to shore up profits, and usually that burden is passed to the consumer. That means higher costs for you and less options.

Conversely, Obama was against the mandate initially but was convinced otherwise because if you're going to say that you can't discriminate against people for being born with asthma, having natal issues that would make babies surpass their lifetime caps before even being able to buy their own insurance, or god forbid you get pregnant or went to the doctor for that one thing when you were a kid, then you need to have healthy people join the insurance pool at a higher number. That is he basic theory of health insurance. All the people who are healthy subsidize the sick and with the hope, when they get sick they also enjoy the same benefits. Remove the healthy people from the pool, then you have a pool of sick people and costs go up and it doesn't work.

Once again, give me your thinking instead of talking points for why what I said isn't the case. Please put some thought into your answer instead of repeating Fox News pundit talking points. Come on dude.
There are no talking points here. The CBO was extremely off. The Washington Post is full of shyt. The MSM is full of shyt. I can write shytty articles about how NOT "off" a lot of things are. . . But we all know would be lies. I could dance around facts too. I'm sure any of us could.

Obama said people can keep their docotrs. . That was a lie.

He said premiums would fall. . . A bold face lie.

But get this. . . Even of he was right, I would still be emphatically against Obamacare. Many of you dont care about your personal freedom. . . I do.

I dont want to live on a country where I'm forced to buy healthcare. I dont want to be forced to prop up shytty corporations. This is about principle. At what piont do any of you say, "you know what, I'm no corporate slave."?

What happens to premiums after the mandates are gone shouldn't be the core issue issue here. I get it if they do rise, people can lose coverage. . . It's worth our collective freedom. Obamacare is tyranny. And no, Im not exaggerating. There are many ways to get decent, affordable HC without putting a gun to everyones head.
 

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There are no talking points here. The CBO was extremely off. The Washington Post is full of shyt. The MSM is full of shyt. I can write shytty articles about how NOT "off" a lot of things are. . . But we all know would be lies. I could dance around facts too. I'm sure any of us could.

Obama said people can keep their docotrs. . That was a lie.

He said premiums would fall. . . A bold face lie.

But get this. . . Even of he was right, I would still be emphatically against Obamacare. Many of you dont care about your personal freedom. . . I do.

I dont want to live on a country where I'm forced to buy healthcare. I dont want to be forced to prop up shytty corporations. This is about principle. At what piont do any of you say, "you know what, I'm no corporate slave."?

What happens to premiums after the mandates are gone shouldn't be the core issue issue here. I get it if they do rise, people can lose coverage. . . It's worth our collective freedom. Obamacare is tyranny. And no, Im not exaggerating. There are many ways to get decent, affordable HC without putting a gun to everyones head.
I'm actually going to thank you for add a bit more substance to your post even though it still is somewhat filled with talking points and empty rhetoric. I don't care if you think the Washington post is shyt or the MSM is shyt. I care if you can actually on merits and facts defend your position instead of parroting empty talking points.


The mandate was essentially a tax. The Supreme Court upheld this fact. However here is where we both agree. Ideally, we shouldn't be subsidizing private industry and I wish private insurance was dead and healthcare became a public good. But if you're going to throw around words like tyranny and "gun to my head" then you better feel the same way about subsidizing farmers, airlines, oil companies,etc etc for consistency.

But again I see nothing in your post or in the republican bill that offers a viable alternative or fix to this. Your care about rising costs and protections being secondary is what most people suspect of conservative even as they rage about them in public. They don't care that this happen despite what their campaign ads and rhetoric says. Glad you're honest. To me your belief is like a religious adherence to some abstraction of "freedom" and it seems less sincere if you're not applying this across the board.

Anyways unless you're against taxation and subsidies in all forms, then your "freedom" argument rings hollow. I didn't have the freedom for my taxes to go towards a single airplane that maybe cost 20 billions dollars for the military but here we are.

Still waiting for @Uncle Hotep to come in and express an original thought on his own on the matter and provide a solution too.
 
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There are no talking points here. The CBO was extremely off. The Washington Post is full of shyt. The MSM is full of shyt. I can write shytty articles about how NOT "off" a lot of things are. . . But we all know would be lies. I could dance around facts too. I'm sure any of us could.

Obama said people can keep their docotrs. . That was a lie.

He said premiums would fall. . . A bold face lie.

But get this. . . Even of he was right, I would still be emphatically against Obamacare. Many of you dont care about your personal freedom. . . I do.

I dont want to live on a country where I'm forced to buy healthcare. I dont want to be forced to prop up shytty corporations. This is about principle. At what piont do any of you say, "you know what, I'm no corporate slave."?

What happens to premiums after the mandates are gone shouldn't be the core issue issue here. I get it if they do rise, people can lose coverage. . . It's worth our collective freedom. Obamacare is tyranny. And no, Im not exaggerating. There are many ways to get decent, affordable HC without putting a gun to everyones head.
:dahell: You're forced to buy car insurance though.

Why wouldn't you want health insurance ? You don't ever know when something will happen and you're stuck in the hospital needing surgery and expensive testing needed to be done.
 

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:dahell: You're forced to buy car insurance though.

Why wouldn't you want health insurance ? You don't ever know when something will happen and you're stuck in the hospital needing surgery and expensive testing needed to be done.
Not only that but before ACA emergency rooms were the primary care doctor for a lot of people and emergency room care is more expensive. When the uninsured couldn't pay, the hospital passed the cost onto consumers and tax payers and it cost more than if people just had insurance for primary care.
 

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There are no talking points here. The CBO was extremely off. The Washington Post is full of shyt. The MSM is full of shyt. I can write shytty articles about how NOT "off" a lot of things are. . . But we all know would be lies. I could dance around facts too. I'm sure any of us could.

Obama said people can keep their docotrs. . That was a lie.

He said premiums would fall. . . A bold face lie.

But get this. . . Even of he was right, I would still be emphatically against Obamacare. Many of you dont care about your personal freedom. . . I do.

I dont want to live on a country where I'm forced to buy healthcare. I dont want to be forced to prop up shytty corporations. This is about principle. At what piont do any of you say, "you know what, I'm no corporate slave."?

What happens to premiums after the mandates are gone shouldn't be the core issue issue here. I get it if they do rise, people can lose coverage. . . It's worth our collective freedom. Obamacare is tyranny. And no, Im not exaggerating. There are many ways to get decent, affordable HC without putting a gun to everyones head.

I'm not gonna reply to every line. But know this. If you aren't forced to buy health insurance why are hospitals BY FEDERAL LAW required to treat people, regardless of ability to pay? This was signed by Ronald Reagan. Unfortunately a very important component was not added: mandatory insurance. Before that hospitals dumped people to other hospitals.

fukking freeloaders shot the costs through the Goddamn roof. Should the emergency medical law get repealed? Do free market fairies make this cost magically disappear? fukk no. It gets passed in property taxes, premiums and hospital bad debt. Don't like insurance? Go after the ER law.
 

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His eyes welling up with tears, Sen. Cruz said, “I embarked on this crusade with a simple goal: to keep affordable health care out of the reach of ordinary, hard-working Americans. And while this battle was lost, that dream—that precious, cherished dream—will live on.”


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This guy is such a fukking pos
 

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Not only that but before ACA emergency rooms were the primary care doctor for a lot of people and emergency room care is more expensive. When the uninsured couldn't pay, the hospital passed the cost onto consumers and tax payers and it cost more than if people just had insurance for primary care.

Nah B he ain't working with it at all. A fukking health savings account with $200 in it will cover his major medical costs and follow up care and prescriptions :mjlol:

Then me and you would pay for it so he can call it freedom:hhh:
 

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:dahell: You're forced to buy car insurance though.

Why wouldn't you want health insurance ? You don't ever know when something will happen and you're stuck in the hospital needing surgery and expensive testing needed to be done.

You're not forced to buy a car. . . I hate this arguement.
I'm actually going to thank you for add a bit more substance to your post even though it still is somewhat filled with talking points and empty rhetoric. I don't care if you think the Washington post is shyt or the MSM is shyt. I care if you can actually on merits and facts defend your position instead of parroting empty talking points.


The mandate was essentially a tax. The Supreme Court upheld this fact. However here is where we both agree. Ideally, we shouldn't be subsidizing private industry and I wish private insurance was dead and healthcare became a public good. But if you're going to throw around words like tyranny and "gun to my head" then you better feel the same way about subsidizing farmers, airlines, oil companies,etc etc for consistency.

But again I see nothing in your post or in the republican bill that offers a viable alternative or fix to this. Your care about rising costs and protections being secondary is what most people suspect of conservative even as they rage about them in public. They don't care that this happen despite what their campaign ads and rhetoric says. Glad you're honest. To me your belief is like a religious adherence to some abstraction of "freedom" and it seems less sincere if you're not applying this across the board.

Anyways unless you're against taxation and subsidies in all forms, then your "freedom" argument rings hollow. I didn't have the freedom for my taxes to go towards a single airplane that maybe cost 20 billions dollars for the military but here we are.

Still waiting for @Uncle Hotep to come in and express an original thought on his own on the matter and provide a solution too.
Ofcourse Im against ALL subsidies. Have you NOT seen me post?

And yes, at some point principle and ideology MUST take precident over this fraudulent concern for the general public that corporate liberals like to parrot. Lets call Obamacare what it is. . . A corporate giveaway. A tytannical one.
 
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