Seattle agrees to raise minimum wage to $15

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Jobs are already scarce. People aren't hiring. If the minimum wage went up then upper class workers wages would have to stay stagnant to make up the difference. And you don't have to raise everyone else. All you're doing is catching certain people up with everyone else.

And what happens when 15/hr isn't enough? 20/hr? 50/hr?

People are looking at the wrong side of the problem.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

And what happens when 15/hr isn't enough? 20/hr? 50/hr?

People are looking at the wrong side of the problem.

The problem can't be reversed. The problem is globalization.

1. Americans compete with cheap labor from other countries

2. Americans compete with new technology.

3. Cheap labor equals cheaper goods.

4. The job market has shrunk. More people compete for fewer jobs.

5. Companies have adapted to doing more with less and can afford to hold out on hiring.

At the end of the day raising minimum wage would mean upper management and small business owners would have to take a pay cut or keep their pay stagnant.

 

[edzyy]

There's no upside to this. Most minimum wage jobs just aren't productive enough to support that wage level. Some possible results:

- Big price increases for business that have no choice to pay it. This will likely make them less able to stay in business going forward.

- It will create a big incentive to automate or geographically outsource the jobs.

- The jobs will get paid under the counter to illegals.

In the end, there's no such thing as a free lunch. Some of the intended workers might benefit, but many will end up losing their jobs.

 

[O.iatlhawksfan]

Legalizing weed
Winning the Super Bowl
Now minimum wage increase

They winning

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

The problem can't be reversed. The problem is globalization.

1. Americans compete with cheap labor from other countries

2. Americans compete with new technology.

3. Cheap labor equals cheaper goods.

4. The job market has shrunk. More people compete for fewer jobs.

5. Companies have adapted to doing more with less and can afford to hold out on hiring.

At the end of the day raising minimum wage would mean upper management and small business owners would have to take a pay cut or keep their pay stagnant.

Yep, this is another big problem. What good will $15/hr minimum wage be, when every McDonalds is a big machine with 1 machine service guy serving 4-5 branches and 3-4 people working the registers? The more expensive these jobs get, the more incentive these companies have to automate or get rid of them. I would rather put that money into higher education, so the avg American wouldn't have to survive on a minimum wage job in the first place.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So you really believe people should make 8.50 an hour while the cost of living inflates enormously year after year?

Like that won't end up costing the country in other areas in the long run?

The funny thing is these big companies you've been For have almost all moved operations overseas were they can have legal indentured servitude.

The fact that most of y'all believe that business can't be successful without underpaying and exploiting people shows how FUKKED America is.

I see minimum wage COMPLETELY differently.

I've never made minimum wage. I know some people have and I've worked jobs that could have qualified for it when I was younger, but the fact remains that I see minimum wage as a floor, not a standard.

do i think the average person shuld be making minimum wage? No. But I don't see why it has to provide you this life of taking care of all your needs.

I just don't.

Why isn't the convo about making it an ABSOLUTE barrier, not something thats supposed to support you.

You're not SUPPOSED to be living comfortably on minimum wage.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Coming in here later to slap down this weak logic and big business propaganda masquerading as anything but.

Thread is littered with this Cato and Heritage filth.

Man come on.

Most of us, me included, agree with you and the regular posters on most things...but why is this off the table?

I don't see minimum wage as being a guarantee of "living comfortably" I see it as a protection against exploitation.

Cause what this implies is that MOST PEOPLE never really make minimum wage.

So wages aren't going to be $15. They'll be probably closer to $20 or 25 per hour just to be competitive for workers/employees.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

And what happens when 15/hr isn't enough? 20/hr? 50/hr?

People are looking at the wrong side of the problem.

Precisely.

MOST people don't make minimum wage. Like less than 5% ever do or something at or near minimum wage.

According to the Bureau of labor stats in 2012: Theres about 5% in all industries who make mini wage and that varies depending on the industry with the hospitality service industry somewhere near 20% :

Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers: 2012

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The problem can't be reversed. The problem is globalization.

1. Americans compete with cheap labor from other countries

2. Americans compete with new technology.

3. Cheap labor equals cheaper goods.

4. The job market has shrunk. More people compete for fewer jobs.

5. Companies have adapted to doing more with less and can afford to hold out on hiring.

At the end of the day raising minimum wage would mean upper management and small business owners would have to take a pay cut or keep their pay stagnant.

Another thing that you're overlooking is that people FEEL they need to live on more.

But...good luck getting people to admit this.

 

[Yapdatfool]

There's no upside to this. Most minimum wage jobs just aren't productive enough to support that wage level. Some possible results:

- Big price increases for business that have no choice to pay it. This will likely make them less able to stay in business going forward.

- It will create a big incentive to automate or geographically outsource the jobs.

- The jobs will get paid under the counter to illegals.

In the end, there's no such thing as a free lunch. Some of the intended workers might benefit, but many will end up losing their jobs.

But all that's already happening (save the 1st one), and the cost to live is still going up and up.

It's a lose-lose ultimately, you raise the wage, prices go up, you leave it alone prices go up, you lower it, prices go up, eliminate it, prices go up.

You leave it as is or lower it and then the dependency on gov't assistance (either in the form of 'welfare' or student loans, or both) increases, then y'all will bytch about high ass taxes and people being #inherently lazy and effortless because they depend on such things. Ya'll can't have it both ways. 10.10 just gets people off gov't assistance with room for little else.

Whole lot of Rico's in this thread and not enough A Boogie's. Or maybe it's the 15 that's got people taking sides like that.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Ya'll know this means the AVERAGE starting wage might as well be 18-20, right?

Cause BARELY anyone makes mini wage...

 

[lakinta]

thread still goin?

false consciousness is strong at the coli :marxsmiley:

 

[lakinta]

wow...you're like MLK

it's like dude never read chapter 27 of Das Kapital

"...the robbery of the common lands, the usurpation of feudal and clan property, and its transformation into modern private property under circumstances of reckless terrorism, were just so many idyllic methods of primitive accumulation. They conquered the field for capitalistic agriculture, made the soil part and parcel of capital, and created for the town industries the necessary supply of a “free” and outlawed proletariat."

sounds like coercion to me.

 

[DEAD7]

it's like dude never read chapter 27 of Das Kapital

"...the robbery of the common lands, the usurpation of feudal and clan property, and its transformation into modern private property under circumstances of reckless terrorism, were just so many idyllic methods of primitive accumulation. They conquered the field for capitalistic agriculture, made the soil part and parcel of capital, and created for the town industries the necessary supply of a “free” and outlawed proletariat."

sounds like coercion to me.

and this refutes my point how?

 

[tmonster]

The problem can't be reversed. The problem is globalization.

can't be
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