Seattle agrees to raise minimum wage to $15

[Goat poster]

Sidenote: It's also interesting how people will begin to care about small businesses when it comes to minimum wage but when you talk about things like NAFTA and other policies that have destroyed small businesses overseas, that care for small businesses goes out the window.

Do people really care about small businesses or is there some other factor at work?

Everything you posted was real, but this section was the REALEST.

These fools sit back and say nothing while policies like NAFTA, KORUS , and various big corps KILL small business.

But now that working class people have the AUDACITY to ask for more reasonable pay it's "but, but, but, this is gonna destroy small business"

These dudes are so see through.

 

[无名的]

Funny how the conversation always turns to CEOs at corporations, rather than focusing on the effect for small businesses.

I still haven't seen anybody in here that supports this minimum wage hike tell me about the business they run and how much they're paying their employees.

 

[Goat poster]

Funny how the conversation always turns to CEOs at corporations, rather than focusing on the effect for small businesses.

I still haven't seen anybody in here that supports this minimum wage hike tell me about the business they run and how much they're paying their employees.

Funny how you always ignore the real policies that negatively effect small business, yet can't even describe your own employees without talking down on them.

Your the problem with America

 

[Goat poster]

You tell me, you're talking about CEO pay, not worker pay.

So you really believe people should make 8.50 an hour while the cost of living inflates enormously year after year?

Like that won't end up costing the country in other areas in the long run?

The funny thing is these big companies you've been For have almost all moved operations overseas were they can have legal indentured servitude.

The fact that most of y'all believe that business can't be successful without underpaying and exploiting people shows how FUKKED America is.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I didn't say it had an actual dollar for dollar bearing on minimum wage, I was just pointing out how hypocritical it is for a company to pay CEO's multi million dollar BONUSES (on top of salary) even when they are running the company into the ground.

Then turn around and BYTCH when the workers ask for a DECENT living wage.

Then fools like you come in and defend them like your ever gonna get those millions they earn.

It's funny cause you dudes are quick to shyt on people for wanting to be paid a LIVING WAGE, yet the CEO's y'all steady cop please for would hit you with the If you ever walked up to them in the street and tried to shake their hand.

They'd straight On you.

And please don't try to blame poor people wanting to make livable wages the reason the cost of living keeps increasing. That's pure bullshyt.

CEO's and upper management have been making record earnings these past couple years even in the height of the recession they have benefited the most from the increased cost of living increase. That's where the smoke in this fire is coming from.

Like I said theres two sides to the living wage. More importantly though, minimum wage has NEVER been a living wage, so thats not even a legit complaint.

And I'm not defending CEO pay, just pointing out that people get caught up in the fact these guys are getting paid millions which are a drop in the bucket and have no huge material impact on workers. If your boss makes 2x what you do that doesn't mean you should get any kind of raise you want.

Plus again much of the pay these guys get isn't even real... CEOs cant sell the stocks they get paid until long after they leave the company, at which point, if they really "run it into the ground", it will be worthless.

It's all the governments fault huh?

So the banks and real estate companies making money hand over fist these past few years are of no blame whatsoever in this mess?

The government ain't perfect and a lot of times they are in bed with the companies that are raping you.

But to blame it ALL on the government is asinine.

Your getting double fisted and you don't even know it

Yea, that's exactly what I said

Most of these bubbles are caused in part by govt policy that is supposed to curb them

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[TLR Is Mental Poison]

So you really believe people should make 8.50 an hour while the cost of living inflates enormously year after year?

Like that won't end up costing the country in other areas in the long run?

The funny thing is these big companies you've been For have almost all moved operations overseas were they can have legal indentured servitude.

The fact that most of y'all believe that business can't be successful without underpaying and exploiting people shows how FUKKED America is.

If you had a business, how much would you pay a dude to flip a burger? Would you be willing to give up all your profit to ensure your workers were all paid "living wages", regardless of what they did or how much the rest of the country would pay them to do the same thing?

 

[Rice N Beans]

Might have to pack up soon. I hear the weather isn't so bad as well up there.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Can you explain how a policy that aims at establishing a livable wage for people by raising minimum wage is flawed?

No one believes that a minimum wage increase is a cure-all for our economic issues. But it is one solution that along with others will address some of the extreme issues of inequality in America. There is no reason why you can't help people at the bottom earn a livable wage while also addressing the other problems you listed.

The the long term negative economic effects of such a policy is still very much an open question, so I'd like to see what leads you to believe that it would be such a disaster.

Well, for starters, minimum wage has never been the bellweather of a "living wage" in the first place. And minimum wage only affects a small part of the population anyway.

Plus, minimum wage even being an issue is a symptom of larger problems that people either don't understand or don't want to address.

 

[tmonster]

If you had a business, how much would you pay a dude to flip a burger?

nothing, why should they get anything just to flip a burger?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

nothing, why should they get anything just to flip a burger?

 

[Type Username Here]

Coming in here later to slap down this weak logic and big business propaganda masquerading as anything but.

Thread is littered with this Cato and Heritage filth.

 

[jilla82]

I havent gone through this thread....but people need to realize this doesnt help the poor that much. Right now it might, but the future?

Automation will be in full affect in the next few years....companies will be able to buy robots and computers that can do the work of these low level employees, for a fraction of what it cost to hire and train people.
So how does that minimum wage help anyone? Cats will be getting let go, left and right.

If I had a business that didnt need to pay out the ass...why would I hire people I dont need?


The problem w/ this ultra liberal viewpoint is that it does nothing but leads the sheep to get slaughtered by the real world. It sounds nice to raise wages artificially, but the market doesnt work like that.
Unfortunately black folks get caught up in this and will be the first to feel the pain because of our low small business numbers.

 

[jilla82]

You clearly have no concept of the applicant pool for a $10 an hour job. I love that paying low-skill employees dollars above minimum wage is considered cut rate wages.

Liberals

what they dont understand is the worker that works his ass off at that $10 job almost always finds a way to make more money.
Its the people that stay at $10 that are super lazy and self entitled, and end up mad at everyone else because their pay is low.

If you want to make more money, make yourself more valuable.

 

[jilla82]

That's gonna happen regardless. What people don't understand is that if someone at McDonalds is making 15 an hour, the odds of them doing some dumb shyt to lose that job reduces. That means they will be more productive and provided a higher quality of service. the higher quality of service the more likely people will go to that McDonalds which increases revenue.

Companies are barely hiring as it is so why not take care of the workers you have.

I think this only applies if that $15 is good for the market.
If $15 is minimum wage, then the thought is I can get another job easy that pays this much. People work hard for $15 now...but once that minimum goes up...whats the point of trying to keep that job (in the same manner you were before) if you can walk outside and do any simple job to make that much.

I believe in paying people a fair wage so they stay loyal...but that $15 minimum pushes everybody's wages up...and not every business can sustain that.
Now youre going to have over qualified people working simple jobs because what do they have to lose? at $15 Mcdonalds can hire someone that would normally work at Starbucks, Homedepot, recent college grads etc...basically anyone who normally wouldnt ever think to work there.

Its basically going to push a lot of people out of the labor pool because they will be worthless to the economy.

But I guess this will be a good real world test to see what really happens.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

I think this only applies if that $15 is good for the market.
If $15 is minimum wage, then the thought is I can get another job easy that pays this much. People work hard for $15 now...but once that minimum goes up...whats the point of trying to keep that job (in the same manner you were before) if you can walk outside and do any simple job to make that much.

I believe in paying people a fair wage so they stay loyal...but that $15 minimum pushes everybody's wages up...and not every business can sustain that.
Now youre going to have over qualified people working simple jobs because what do they have to lose? at $15 Mcdonalds can hire someone that would normally work at Starbucks, Homedepot, recent college grads etc...basically anyone who normally wouldnt ever think to work there.

Its basically going to push a lot of people out of the labor pool because they will be worthless to the economy.

But I guess this will be a good real world test to see what really happens.

Jobs are already scarce. People aren't hiring. If the minimum wage went up then upper class workers wages would have to stay stagnant to make up the difference. And you don't have to raise everyone else. All you're doing is catching certain people up with everyone else.