Scientist on Reddit claims to have dissected Aliens - Even Reddit Nerds think he's either telling the truth or the GOAT bullshytter

[Professor Emeritus]

The problem with your argument, is you are assuming just as many things as you claim I am. You make definitive statements about the children that you have no proof of; just your belief. I wasn't there to interview the children, yes, but neither were you. I happen to like John Mack, the Ufo guy you said tainted the children. He's controversial for sure, but he went where he thought the evidence pointed him, even though it hurt his reputation. I respect that. Academia can be very rigid in its belief systems.

To be clear, John Mack clearly tainted the children (none of them claimed the aliens has communicated telepathically or brought an environmental message until his interviews), but he wasn't the only one. UFOlogist Cynthia Hind, who came just four days after the incident, was the first to taint them. She heavily big-upped the alien angle of the children's stories. She interviewed them in groups of 5-6, so that they started copying details from each other's stories rather than giving their own version. That's terrible practice when interviewing adult witnesses, even worse with children. She has them all draw pictures together, so more contamination. And she's the one who falsely reported that all the children had the same story, as well as falsely reporting that they were remote rural kids who didn't know about aliens.

 

[Michael's Black Son]

Or he is a scientists bullshyting, just because someone is a scientists, doctor, general etc doesn't mean they can't be attention whores or trolls.

Breh if I were a scientist I would troll just for the hell of it to watch these folks minds burn.

Sad shyt is people are more hyped about these troll jobs than then actual science that’s happening all day everyday.

 

[Ciggavelli]

To be clear, John Mack clearly tainted the children (none of them claimed the aliens has communicated telepathically or brought an environmental message until his interviews), but he wasn't the only one. UFOlogist Cynthia Hind, who came just four days after the incident, was the first to taint them. She heavily big-upped the alien angle of the children's stories. She interviewed them in groups of 5-6, so that they started copying details from each other's stories rather than giving their own version. That's terrible practice when interviewing adult witnesses, even worse with children. She has them all draw pictures together, so more contamination. And she's the one who falsely reported that all the children had the same story, as well as falsely reporting that they were remote rural kids who didn't know about aliens.

I’ll concede that it wasn’t handled in an ideal manner. I think this also boils down to the problem of serious researchers being discouraged from studying potential ufo incidents. It is career suicide, even if they are believers. Look what happened to John Mack. He had a stellar reputation, was a leader in academia, but got painted as a loon for going where he felt the evidence was leading him. I’m sure many think that was warranted, but I disagree. I think the atmosphere is changing, given UFOs are becoming more acceptable in the mainstream.

I’m researcher in my professional life (mostly qualitative UX stuff), and I would never reveal my belief in UFOs and aliens to my colleagues professionally or academically. Never. That is a problem. David Jacobs, one of the few academics who studied supposed abductee experiences openly, said that he tells all of his students to never get into the field of ufology. He tells his participants to never discuss their experiences with anybody. It’ll ruin your life. I think he’s right, but I hope that changes.

So serious researchers can’t touch this shyt. We then have amateurs from MUFON using questionable methods which only feeds into the the skeptics’ arguments. But it’s a start and better than nothing. Hopefully that will change in the future.

 

[Complexion]

David Jacobs, one of the few academics who studied supposed abductee experiences openly, said that he tells all of his students to never get into the field of ufology. He tells his participants to never discuss their experiences with anybody. It’ll ruin your life. I think he’s right, but I hope that changes.

So serious researchers can’t touch this shyt. We then have amateurs from MUFON using questionable methods which only feeds into the the skeptics’ arguments. But it’s a start and better than nothing. Hopefully that will change in the future.

This kind of stuff proves why science isn't as scientific as it purports to be because there are silent agendas in place along with expectations about what you can say and why. Exceedingly crooked and totally biased, especially when you throw in things like grants, tenure and acclaim as a lot simply will just play the game instead of going where the facts lead or allowing imagination free reign then actually testing the hypothesis.

In that respect a lot of world changing concepts are killed in the cradle and become the domain of loons instead which further enhances their radioactivenes. No tinfoil needed, this is exactly how it is. Add in the replication crisis along with the entire theoretical particles grift where (amusingly) people are making up ish and buying in to the delusion due to official sanction even though no one truly believes it in private but champions in public.

There are vested interests at play which direct whole fields in certain ways and anyone who is professional and goes against the grain is left alone to cry in the rain. Ive seen it too many times in too many fields ranging from mental health to research into consciousness as well as the scams I mentioned in physics. In that respect its an open secret and thus we can have interesting conversations as I'm not interested in the lanes they inhabit but it is exceedingly common and the frustration is immense for those who can smell what they're cooking but are afraid to call it because it would blow up their life investment as an academic.

If you accept the gaslighting and color in between the lines as intended you'll progress, get respected and be invited back for the next session and find the remuneration as well. If you don't then watch how quick your funding vanishes, colleagues disconnect as you get moved around on the chess set by forces that control the purse strings and only want certain topics entertained and cannot afford someone with a credentials and influence to veer from the gospel and set a "bad" example by actually being an impartial scientist.

 

[Ciggavelli]

This kind of stuff proves why science isn't as scientific as it purports to be because there are silent agendas in place along with expectations about what you can say and why. Exceedingly crooked and totally biased, especially when you throw in things like grants, tenure and acclaim as a lot simply will just play the game instead of going where the facts lead or allowing imagination free reign then actually testing the hypothesis.

In that respect a lot of world changing concepts are killed in the cradle and become the domain of loons instead which further enhances their radioactivenes. No tinfoil needed, this is exactly how it is. Add in the replication crisis along with the entire theoretical particles grift where (amusingly) people are making up ish and buying in to the delusion due to official sanction.

There are vested interests at play which direct whole fields in certain ways and anyone who is professional and goes against the grain is left alone in the rain. Ive seen it too many times in too many fields ranging from mental health to research into consciousness as well as the scams I mentioned in physics.

If you accept the gaslighting and color in between the lines as intended you'll progress, get respected and be invited back for the next session and get the remuneration as well. If you don't then watch how quick your funding vanishes, colleagues disconnect as you get moved around on the chess set by forces that control the purse strings and only want certain topics entertained.

Definitely. I originally wanted to be a professor, but academia kinda disgusted me with its very apparent biases (plus I don’t like teaching). The social sciences pretty much just follow popular trends, and it seems every 20 years everything we previously thought turns out to be wrong. What’s the point?

Even practical, professional research is problematic. Small sample sizes due to budgetary and time constraints, sample bias, small effect sizes, response bias (the people that fill out surveys and take part in interviews aren’t representative of the average user. It’s a big problem in academia too, and there currently is no solution). It’s better than nothing though. The social sciences are just not mature enough currently, but we’re working on it. I’m sure I’m 20 years people will look back at our methods and laugh, but that’s how progress is made.

Researchers shouldn’t be limited in what they study. It’s bad for science. They should go where the evidence leads them, but only a few are brave enough or who have a safe tenured position. shyt’s disheartening

 

[Complexion]

Science advances funeral by funeral. Tells you everything, yes?

Teslas ideas (if implemented and developed, not suppressed) could have taken us far beyond our current level of tech back then but the facts of his life stand as testament to what I said because progress is drip fed amidst the bread and circuses that keep most peoples attention fixed on the worthless.

Worse still are the otherwise intelligent but impressionable who take these institutions as beacons of virtue and points of reference without ever comprehending the immense corruption within if one peers beneath the surface. In many ways they are complicit in the suppression due to their cheerleading without investigation and that is another part of the problem many choose not to address...

 

[Gritsngravy]

Yes but you would create the robots on site not send them there.

But you still have to send them there to get shyt started, it’s a stepping stone to colonizing planets

 

[Complexion]

But you still have to send them there to get shyt started, it’s a stepping stone to colonizing planets

Unless you take the idea of a video call to a next level and create a lab grown carbon based form to interact with the locals that you use as a remote vehicle for your consciousness that remains on your home planet because you sent the surrogate instead to scope the scene.

Think a dumb terminal connected to a larger mainframe of consciousness.

 

[FlyBoy718]

It is my understanding that the Gray image didn't reach widespread appeal until "The Communion" by Whitley Streiber in 1987

There was this fascinating story out of the Ariel School in Zimbabwe. Some beings supposedly came down from the sky and made themselves known to dozens of school children. The children described them in a similar way as people describe greys, but the children (apparently) did not know enough about the world to call them aliens, or even what aliens were in the first place. They described them as small, strange men with big eyes. I timestamped a picture one of the kids drew, but you can watch the video for context if you are interested

Breh already categorized the aliens the kids described as being rastas standing next to a dollar van in a different UAP thread breh Don't waste your time.

 

[mykey]

Checked where?

Please don’t bring up that stupid ass picture of “sightings” either… there have been multiple countries seeing objects from South America, to Canada, to the middle east, to Australia, to africa..

There are also cave drawings and paintings all over showing random creatures and what people will consider UFO’s.

And from the patterns, it looks as if sightings are more so in line with where nuclear weapons are stored and tested. USA has by far the most silos and the most nukes.

Even indigenous tribes have “sightings” they just chalk it up to religious shyt.. or for the fact that it isn’t a very populated or habitable area. Who will they even report to?

Also, who tf knows what gets reported in China because their country for the most part blocks their entire internet and media from the outside world. Their are “sightings” almost daily. Most other countries allied countries are literally handing over their information to us (brazil/canada). We’re only hearing about it here because we don’t live in these other countries

This invalidates your entire argument.

 

[Ciggavelli]

Breh already categorized the aliens the kids described as being rastas standing next to a dollar van in a different UAP thread breh Don't waste your time.

He's playing the skeptic role, which is fine. Ufology needs skeptics, like any other field of study. I don't know if he's being sincere, but it doesn't matter.

Anything can be refuted and argued against. Anything. It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong. That doesn't matter to the skeptic. I think he won't be a believer until an alien lands on his front yard. And I don't even know if he would believe that. He'll probably call it a government psyop or something.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

This invalidates your entire argument.

How

Oh.. because Russia has more nukes supposedly?

Ok

 

[Complexion]

It is an interesting topic though.

I remember reading back when it was said that they'd invent holographic projection tech that beamed a message into your head in your own language from these fake aliens and tell humanity how they got religion all wrong and what the truth is as everyone joined hands and started to sing thanks to these beings. Either that or we see that COVID solidarity as we clap back against an illusion that lets us think we win so we move onto the next level of the game thanks to their unification:



Always made me laugh that this was said by an actor turned president whose name was Ray Gun



Always wondered how these conspiracy theories were so wildly detailed when they're supposed to be secret because another one was "You'll have a tracking chip that is used to buy and sell and monitors you every movement and vital signal" as they wrapped their heads in foil made of tin on the 90s era net. Amusingly the same people now do just that with their phone and don't think twice about it so maybe the fake alien thing will be the same kind of reveal with its own twist on the same basic premise.