So then why would black people be wrong for supporting Gays, Latinos and women?Yes
Sanctuary Cities.. i dont get it
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Lord_Chief_Rocka
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This complete bullshytFirst off, you're rolling with a very immature view of rights. You believe that if someone else gets their rights, if someone else gets educated, if someone else gets a job, if someone else gets good health care, that that somehow means there's less for you. As if there's a pie of one size and whenever anyone's share gets bigger, the only possibility is for yours to shrink.
That view has never shown to be true in reality. When other people get educated and the whole education level of society improves, more jobs get created, society starts running better, and things tend to improve for everyone. When other people get their rights respected, the chance that your rights will get respected goes up, not down. When more entrepreneurs and hard-working people enter a society (as immigrants often are) the economy tends to build faster because their work creates more jobs, and wages actually tend to go up.
Look at the countries that limit rights, that limit immigration, that limit economic access to the "privileged". They tend to be stagnant as hell. Those "privileged" do feel good about themselves because they get to be better than the lesser-off, but their lives often suck compared to the norm in countries where everyone is getting their rights.
On a second point, if you're an African-AMERICAN who has lived here your entire life, educated in the American school system, speak the language from birth, know people in your community, have all the legal documents.....and you can't compete with some new immigrant who has like a 5th-grade education from a 3rd-world country and don't even speak English as a first language and has to get fake documents to even apply for a job...you already lost. I mean, come on now brother, nothing wrong with working as a janitor or a tree-trimmer for a living, but you sure as hell should be better at selling yourself in a job interview than the guy who never even been to a dentist in his life...come on now.
Finally, imagine these five people.
1. Some Appalachian dude from Tennessee, been on social security for a minor disability and don't work, has two kids who live with their mom.
2. Somali refugee who came here 6 years ago and just got his citizenship, employed off-and-on, taking care of his family.
3. Sudanese refugee who couldn't get their status approve due to diplomatic issues and came here illegally 6 years ago, works where they can, single.
4. Chinese dude whose parents came here illegally, but he was legal because he's an anchor baby, has a legal job but doing some stuff under the table too, single.
5. Mexican guy who came here when he was 11, worked hard and now is a manager at his buisness, pays all his SS taxes and such but will never see the benefits because his number is fake, has a family and kids who are citizens.
Now, you're saying I'm supposed to be favoring the Appalachian, Somali, and Chinese guy because they have the right piece of paper, but screw the Sudanese and the Mexican guy.
I'm sorry, but of all the factors going on, there's a lot of shyt I care about a hell of a lot more than that piece of paper.
This is the complete Rise all Boats crap that will lead to us getting most of the bad and the least of the good in this system
The fact is that we are all competing for resources and I want African Americans to get as much as they possibly can
fukk your globalization rhetoric.
How does competing with immigrants help the plight of black Americans?
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Lord_Chief_Rocka
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See there you go. I said white women and you say "woman"
Also support whatever you want just don't get on this bullshyt of because you're black you somehow have to support every other group of people
You said "white woman" in reference to what we consider women's or feminist issues, pretending that black wommen aren't included in that
Who said this?
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Lord_Chief_Rocka
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1. No I didn't mutherfukker. I said whit woman and meant white womenYou said "white woman" in reference to what we consider women's or feminist issues, pretending that black Somme aren't included in that
Who said this?
Black woman should fight for what they need as being black and woman . I just don't think it's smart to align with white woman because they will
A. Get left out in the cold or
B. Get a much smaller piece of the metaphorical pie.
2. That's the rhetoric of a lot of people towards what black people should be fighting/speaking up for
Lord_Chief_Rocka
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1. There are no issues specific to white women that black women aren't affected by.
2. No the rhetoric is that black peoples issues intersect with a lot of other groups, and that white supremacy thrives through oppressing other groups. It then makes sense for those groups to fight white supremacy together as opposed to fighting each other for the scraps white supremacy left behind.
Has nothing to do with "fighting for other groups just cause they are black"
2. No the rhetoric is that black peoples issues intersect with a lot of other groups, and that white supremacy thrives through oppressing other groups. It then makes sense for those groups to fight white supremacy together as opposed to fighting each other for the scraps white supremacy left behind.
Has nothing to do with "fighting for other groups just cause they are black"
There is no direct competition. This country has more than enough resources to feed everyone.This complete bullshyt
This is the complete Rise all Boats crap that will lead to us getting most of the bad and the least of the good in this system
The fact is that we are all competing for resources and I want African Americans to get as much as they possibly can
fukk your globalization rhetoric.
How does competing with immigrants help the plight of black Americans?
The only reason there is some competition is due to white supremacy. So wouldn't it make sense to fight white supremacy instead of Mexicans who don't have any real power to change the situation?
Furthermore cheap immigrant labor is essential for any large economy to grow. What's good for the American economy is also good for black people. Not to mention innovation in tech and medical, which also benefit black folks.
Majority of black folks aren't competing for and/or don't want those jobs.
So in your stance you make the mistake of seeing the issue of competition, and ignoring all else that comes with the situation. You are concentrating on the small minority of black folks competing for the jobs, while ignoring the fact that the rest of us need a growing economy, cheap produce, etc.
Lord_Chief_Rocka
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1. Go ahead and fight with them
I don't know what to tell you. They will fukk you over or their gains will be a lot bigger.
Also black women have so much smaller wealth than white women that the issues are really the same or different levels of severity but whatever
2.
. These other groups are either A. A lot wealthier than us or B. Hate us just as much as straight white men but again do you
I have two questions for you. Unless you can answer these, you won't understand anything else.
1. Does the Black community have more material wealth than it did 150 years ago? Bigger homes, more toys, control of more assets, greater opportunity to build wealth, etc?
2. Did the Black community gaining that wealth come at the expense of another community? If so, which one? Which community is poorer than it was 150 years ago?
If you see the advancement of a nation as everyone competing with each other, then you're already starting behind. That's the fukking crabs in a barrel mindset where everyone always grabbing at everyone else, thinking somehow that they'll advance if they just pull someone else down. There are a LOT of countries where the elite operate that way. Those countries are total shytholes where a few people hold onto what they got but overall the economy sucks ass.
Even worse are the countries where the elite get other communities to think like that, so they remain the elite while the minorities fight to keep each other down.
Like I said, there is study after study that shows immigrants and innovation and getting everyone their basic rights helps the economy for everyone.
You can be like the worst southern states, where the white community does all it can to keep the black community down...but still ends up with the shyttiest, poorest white communities in the world. You can be like the worst Indian states, where the high-caste community does everything to keep the low-caste community down...and they end up being the poorest, most backwards states in the country - hell, those states are as poor as the poorest countries in the world. You can be like the worst North African countries, where the Arabs keep the Black Africans down...but even the Arabs ain't shyt compared to the Arabs in other countries.
Can you give an example where discrimination by one community over another worked out well for that community?
Your "life is a constant competition with a pie no one can share" mindset is what they want you to think. But it hasn't advanced anyone for anything.
I hate globalization.
Globalization is bullshyt by multinational corporations to keep economic slaves where they can best take advantage of them for profits. Keep people in their place while shipping goods and money all over the world for their own profit.
I ain't talking about that. I'm talking about treating the people right here in this place right now like they're human beings. Not making the sole factor for privileging one person over another some arbitrary government-decried piece of paper based on some discriminatory immigration law that didn't even exist until White people started trying to preserve their majority.
1. Black people have been know to fukk black people over too. Should I not align with them either?1. Go ahead and fight with them
I don't know what to tell you. They will fukk you over or their gains will be a lot bigger.
Also black women have so much smaller wealth than white women that the issues are really the same or different levels of severity but whatever
2.
Not even sure what you are getting at in the second part of your reply.
2. A. No B. No
Two unsubstantiated opinions based on predjudice and/or misinformation
Lord_Chief_Rocka
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1.Yes there is. Ex. Affirmative action should have excluded white women or counted them different than actual minorities
2. This is disingenuous. The economy might grow, but standard of living gaps have still gotten bigger
Again this is the "rise all boats" theory that doesn't allow black folks to close gaps. I don't want us to just improve, I want us to close the gaps
The Racial Wealth Gap Is Not Going to Improve
Black Americans Are Working More—With Little to Show for It
The racial wealth gap was wide in 1963 and it remains large today
Lord_Chief_Rocka
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See my post just before this, but y'all have a good SaturdayI have two questions for you. Unless you can answer these, you won't understand anything else.
1. Does the Black community have more material wealth than it did 150 years ago? Bigger homes, more toys, control of more assets, greater opportunity to build wealth, etc?
2. Did the Black community gaining that wealth come at the expense of another community? If so, which one? Which community is poorer than it was 150 years ago?
If you see the advancement of a nation as everyone competing with each other, then you're already starting behind. That's the fukking crabs in a barrel mindset where everyone always grabbing at everyone else, thinking somehow that they'll advance if they just pull someone else down. There are a LOT of countries where the elite operate that way. Those countries are total shytholes where a few people hold onto what they got but overall the economy sucks ass.
Even worse are the countries where the elite get other communities to think like that, so they remain the elite while the minorities fight to keep each other down.
Like I said, there is study after study that shows immigrants and innovation and getting everyone their basic rights helps the economy for everyone.
You can be like the worst southern states, where the white community does all it can to keep the black community down...but still ends up with the shyttiest, poorest white communities in the world. You can be like the worst Indian states, where the high-caste community does everything to keep the low-caste community down...and they end up being the poorest, most backwards states in the country - hell, those states are as poor as the poorest countries in the world. You can be like the worst North African countries, where the Arabs keep the Black Africans down...but even the Arabs ain't shyt compared to the Arabs in other countries.
Can you give an example where discrimination by one community over another worked out well for that community?
Your "life is a constant competition with a pie no one can share" mindset is what they want you to think. But it hasn't advanced anyone for anything.
I hate globalization.
Globalization is bullshyt by multinational corporations to keep economic slaves where they can best take advantage of them for profits. Keep people in their place while shipping goods and money all over the world for their own profit.
I ain't talking about that. I'm talking about treating the people right here in this place right now like they're human beings. Not making the sole factor for privileging one person over another some arbitrary government-decried piece of paper based on some discriminatory immigration law that didn't even exist until White people started trying to preserve their majority.
Y'all are talking the way it maybe should be instead of the way it is.
Lord_Chief_Rocka
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1. Wow bruh just wow
2. Every other group holds a negative opinion towards black people, if you don't know that then
. We can't come come together with them. It's impossible Anyways I'm about to go eat
1.Yes there is. Ex. Affirmative action should have excluded white women or counted them different than actual minorities
2. This is disingenuous. The economy might grow, but standard of living gaps have still gotten bigger
Again this is the "rise all boats" theory that doesn't allow black folks to close gaps. I don't want us to just improve, I want us to close the gaps
The Racial Wealth Gap Is Not Going to Improve
Black Americans Are Working More—With Little to Show for It
The racial wealth gap was wide in 1963 and it remains large today
1. Affirmative Action has helped some black people, even if it's helped white women more. It makes sense that it would help white women more, because there are more white women than black people and white supremacy still exists. And this is a prime example of what I'm talking about. No way affirmative action gets support if it's just for black people.
2. That line of thinking is what's disingenuous.
You make one of those charts comparing middle/lower class whites to the top and you'll see that wealth gap is rising as well. Over the last 50 years the wealth gap for ALL AMERICANS has risen. Black people are a part of that. Where the economy, goes black people go with it. When it gets bad we get it the worst. If prices for produce and other everyday products go up, black people will hurt the most.