Ryan Coogler & Michael B. Jordan vampire film "Sinners"

[Dr. Narcisse]

While I do think there could have been a bigger/more explosive resolution.

I think we cant forget this movie was already overbudget as it is. The periodpiece stuff and shooting on film really ate up (no Sammie) al lot of the budget.

Shot on digitial and used some great screen they coulda pulled it off/went bolder. However, the movie wouldnt have felt as lived in or as real either (especially early).

I do think Coogler and his team has to be more efficient in how they spend money for production though. His last three movies have went overbudget. So much so that final budget doesnt always show up on screen COMPLETELY.

Thats why Nolan/Spielberg are goat status though. They have the financials/time well planned out to execute their visions fully.

I give his last 3 films anywhere from an 8 to 9. However, they all have the same rushed ending (or resolution for Sinners)

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

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Then Coogler would have to explain why the Natives bailed at the beginning.
Like another breh mentioned way earlier in this thread. He wanted to get his ideas off regardless of whether it made sense to the overall story or not.

It would have been cool for Preacher Boy to sing to snap the vampires out of it

 

[Jazzy B.]

The Native Vampire Hunters were hard. They knew what time it was the entire time. Ryan's decisions and skills are on point with that said I think he should have showed the entire sequence of the Natives hunting Remmeck before he got to house. I'm not talking about a long scene but like 3 minutes of showing them hunting him. So yes this film though works fine as a stand-alone, there is spin-off potential. Smoke and Stack prequel as a Gangster Flick in Chicago in the 1930's and show them robbing banks and gangsters with Capone being the villain. Native American Vampire Hunters, show them hunting other Vampires. People are also calling for a Stack and Mary (Bonnie/Clyde) type film following them throughout history. LOL @ Sinners Cinematic Universe. Honestly I think Ryan is cool with it being a standalone.

The actual vampire shyt didn't really matter.

Vampirism in the movie is just a vehicle to represent black culture being drained from us and then appropriated.

This movie is not a real Vampire movie that's why it was all underdeveloped.

I kept seeing reviewers say Coogler "made Blade before Marvel" yet not one main character in this movie was a "vampire hunter" and there was no action until the climax

 

[Left.A1]

How come y'all don't think the same as meeeeeeeeeeee

Pipe down groupie, Ryan don't know you exist

 

[Left.A1]

Thread has turned into if you don’t think it’s a 9 or 10

@Nigerianwonder said something pages ago and I gotta say something similar, Coogler makes movies black people will love but mediocre enough that people who understand writing will dismiss.

On a longer note,

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saying white people are bad but not cleverly writing or showing in visual form how they’re bad doesn’t mean its symbolic, it just means you’re not a good writer.

Get Out already did symbolism perfectly and subtly with this

And Hidden Figures said white people bad overtly perfectly in this.




This movie added nothing to that conversation and the vampires were run of the mill, ulterior motive seeking, promises of a new life, etc etc. If people want to turn that into nah nah Ryan is saying white people are like that too tho, you’re free to think that but the writing didn’t present the characters as that.

Chinese people owning a store that black folk do business in wasn’t symbolic it was just a store Chinese people owned and black people did business in. It wasn’t written with a symbolic gesture or even shown in one.

The twin shooting another black man in the ass could be seen as a symbolic statement that we don’t trust each other and the white man got us pitted against each other. Nah that was just a gangsta showcasing to not fukk with him. Again writing and direction matter.

Exactly using black culture as the protagonist isn't edgy without any intriguing layers added to that theme.…. Its like if a lazy version of get out and FDTD had a baby...with a “we are the world” montage in the middle…….and river dancing

 

[Jazzy B.]

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The klan should’ve come at night and been the start of Remmick’s horde. It would’ve made more sense to have a full house of Black people vs. Remmick and his army.

Instead, we got eight people vs. 20+ vampires at the end. Nobody should’ve survived until sunrise.

The main villain was

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White appropriation and how it takes over black culture if let in. The Klan had to take a backseat until the end to hammer the message home. Remember the main vampire (a white liberal) was offering protection from the Klan on some all lives matter/"I aint like those racist White People" shyt but he was still gonna be the one running shyt

 

[The Wolf Among You]

The main villain was

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White appropriation and how it takes over black culture if let in. The Klan had to take a backseat until the end to hammer the message home. Remember the main vampire (a white liberal) was offering protection from the Klan on some all lives matter/"I aint like those racist White People" shyt but he was still gonna be the one running shyt

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I get the themes Coogler was going for, but the theme shouldn’t betray the story either. It all has to work in service to one another.

 

[Jazzy B.]

Thread has turned into if you don’t think it’s a 9 or 10

@Nigerianwonder said something pages ago and I gotta say something similar, Coogler makes movies black people will love but mediocre enough that people who understand writing will dismiss.

On a longer note,

Spoiler

saying white people are bad but not cleverly writing or showing in visual form how they’re bad doesn’t mean its symbolic, it just means you’re not a good writer.

Get Out already did symbolism perfectly and subtly with this

And Hidden Figures said white people bad overtly perfectly in this.




This movie added nothing to that conversation and the vampires were run of the mill, ulterior motive seeking, promises of a new life, etc etc. If people want to turn that into nah nah Ryan is saying white people are like that too tho, you’re free to think that but the writing didn’t present the characters as that.

Chinese people owning a store that black folk do business in wasn’t symbolic it was just a store Chinese people owned and black people did business in. It wasn’t written with a symbolic gesture or even shown in one.

The twin shooting another black man in the ass could be seen as a symbolic statement that we don’t trust each other and the white man got us pitted against each other. Nah that was just a gangsta showcasing to not fukk with him. Again writing and direction matter.

This movie had the Klan and a White Liberal in the same movie and

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made the White Liberal the bigger problem instead and then had the black characters who had free will reject the white liberals multi racial utopia which is PUSHED to black people in 2025

 

[Barlow]

Pipe down groupie, Ryan don't know you exist

nikka want somebody to agree with him so bad. movie is sitting at 98/97 on RT and getting rave reviews everywhere, but 3 nikkas on thecoli "know good writing"

 

[Bryan Danielson]

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Jaimee Paige Robinson (@msjaimeepaige) on Threads

Straight from the horses mouth about why Ryan Coogler chose vampires and the meaning behind it. Now y’all can stop guessing. 🫣 Sinners

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[Urbanmiracle]

This movie is a mess. The first half was great. I honestly would have enjoyed a drama about the twins coming back home from their worldly travels to make a name for themselves in their home town. But once the vampires showed up, shyt went down hill. The cinematography was good too. But yea the story let me down. They introduce plot points and never go back to them or just pull shyt out of thin air. That race bait white supremacy shoot em up scene was wack and unnecessary. The post credit scene was dope though. I give this a 6. Captain America was better…

 

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The actual vampire shyt didn't really matter.

sure it did.

i think you mean they could have swapped out the vamps for something else.

Vampirism in the movie is just a vehicle to represent black culture being drained from us and then appropriated.

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This movie is not a real Vampire movie that's why it was all underdeveloped.

it's gumbo. with subtext such as own your culture. a film which coogler insisted on owning.

I kept seeing reviewers say Coogler "made Blade before Marvel" yet not one main character in this movie was a "vampire hunter" and there was no action until the climax

YOU did ...?

i suppose you have to keep it simple for some people.

for people like you we'd still have one science 'philosophy' and just one story genre .

let creativity breathe.

 

[Left.A1]

How come y'all just wont see the way I see it

This groupie down bad

 

[Barlow]

I know good writing