Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

[JamesJabdi]

Putin can barely keep the disinformation campaign going on in his own country, but they want us to believe dude has succefully invaded every random social media platform on the entire web.

The people who believe Putin to be this all powerful genius guy are on the same level of insanity as those Q-anon weirdo's. Same rhetoric, agressivness and stupidness.

 

[bnew]

thats actually a pretty clever way of dealing with the issue

 

[TheDarceKnight]

One Word: Nato.

This is John Mearsheimer level shyt and it's wrong. Why do you guys act like NATO is some kind of sovereign nation. It's a voluntary military alliance. That's it. Mearsheimer and pro Putin/Kremlin talking points guys are the type of folks that would blame a r@pe victim for wearing suggestive clothing.The idea that Russia was worried about NATO actually invading them is so dishonest.

Ukraine is a free country, and they have a right to pursue their own political interests, and seek military alliances with other nations. If anything, Russia invading them proves that they were right be concerned about Russia and seeking NATO membership to begin with. There's a reason former Soviet Union countries have flocked to NATO--they're concerned about getting swallowed back up by Russian imperialism.

So Ukraine is at fault for this war, because they had the audacity to decide for themselves whether they wanted to join NATO or not? And the punishment is to do the very thing they'd seek NATO membership for in the first place? Like, Russia proved Ukraine right.

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

One Word: Nato.

recognize...

Putin wakes up with one word on his mind...NATO

NATO aint even stick the tip in yet and Putin is already pulling away from the dikk like

You give me "Zelensky is a war hero" vibes.
Strong propaganda puppet.

he's doing more for his country on a personal level than most other world leaders would.
US offered to Zelenskyy out and he said "Nah, I'm gonna stay here and tool up."

as a man, if you can't respect that then you on some bullshyt and errybody sees it.

you are wasting your time.

 

[JBoy]

Russia is a wanna be imperialist power, has pushed misinformation across the globe that has disproportionately negatively impacted non white groups (see the pandemic, Trump and Brexit), Putin is frankly a cheerleader for the "replacment theory" crowd (while also sending disproportionate amounts of young non White Russians and populaces from the various Muslim states of the Federation) to die in his fascist takeover attempt), Putin is a trash human being, Russia is a problem state, and one does not have to be even a advocate of Western style democracy to be wary of imperialism in all her forms

 

[Robbie3000]

This is John Mearsheimer level shyt and it's wrong. Why do you guys act like NATO is some kind of sovereign nation. It's a voluntary military alliance. That's it. Mearsheimer and pro Putin/Kremlin talking points guys are the type of folks that would blame a r@pe victim for wearing suggestive clothing.The idea that Russia was worried about NATO actually invading them is so dishonest.

Ukraine is a free country, and they have a right to pursue their own political interests, and seek military alliances with other nations. If anything, Russia invading them proves that they were right be concerned about Russia and seeking NATO membership to begin with. There's a reason former Soviet Union countries have flocked to NATO--they're concerned about getting swallowed back up by Russian imperialism.

So Ukraine is at fault for this war, because they had the audacity to decide for themselves whether they wanted to join NATO or not? And the punishment is to do the very thing they'd seek NATO membership for in the first place? Like, Russia proved Ukraine right.

Cut the shyt.

We nearly started WW3 because Soviet Union put up missiles in Cuba. We are still punishing a tiny island nation for it 70 years later.

We literally claimed a sphere of influence in the entire westerners hemisphere with the Monroe doctrine, but Russia can’t object to having an organization created specifically to fight Russia on its border? Are you mad?

 

[Robbie3000]

Russia is a wanna be imperialist power, has pushed misinformation across the globe that has disproportionately negatively impacted non white groups (see the pandemic, Trump and Brexit), Putin is frankly a cheerleader for the "replacment theory" crowd (while also sending disproportionate amounts of young non White Russians and populaces from the various Muslim states of the Federation) to die in his fascist takeover attempt), Putin is a trash human being, Russia is a problem state, and one does not have to be even a advocate of Western style democracy to be wary of imperialism in all her forms

holy shyt, for my own sanity, I’m getting out of this thread. The hypocrisy is too much.

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

 

[JBoy]

holy shyt, for my own sanity, I’m getting out of this thread. The hypocrisy is too much.

yes yes we know as Americans that America is also hypocritical you ain't telling me knowing I don't know already imperialism is bad whether done in Beijing, DC, Moscow, London, Tokyo, etc etc

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

yes yes we know as Americans that America is also hypocritical you ain't telling me knowing I don't know already imperialism is bad whether done in Beijing, DC, Moscow, London, Tokyo, etc etc

pretty much.
whataboutism is played out.

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

 

[MushroomX]

This shyt started on Feb 24th, we are now a month in to a 72 Hour War.

Putin ain't stopping, yeah, but this war has become a "money pit" for Russia; weapons, economy, national security. Whenever this ends, I only think it will shrink Russia even more.

 

[Insensitive]

pretty much.
whataboutism is played out.

"Whataboutism" is a tactic to kill any dissent and stifle conversation.

Word to Citations Needed:

holy shyt, for my own sanity, I’m getting out of this thread. The hypocrisy is too much.

All you can do is laugh at this point tbh.

This is John Mearsheimer level shyt and it's wrong. Why do you guys act like NATO is some kind of sovereign nation. It's a voluntary military alliance. That's it. Mearsheimer and pro Putin/Kremlin talking points guys are the type of folks that would blame a r@pe victim for wearing suggestive clothing.The idea that Russia was worried about NATO actually invading them is so dishonest.

Ukraine is a free country, and they have a right to pursue their own political interests, and seek military alliances with other nations. If anything, Russia invading them proves that they were right be concerned about Russia and seeking NATO membership to begin with. There's a reason former Soviet Union countries have flocked to NATO--they're concerned about getting swallowed back up by Russian imperialism.

So Ukraine is at fault for this war, because they had the audacity to decide for themselves whether they wanted to join NATO or not? And the punishment is to do the very thing they'd seek NATO membership for in the first place? Like, Russia proved Ukraine right.

yeah and he's right.
@ John Mearsheimer

For reference for anyone reading this thread:

Why John Mearsheimer Blames the U.S. for the Crisis in Ukraine | The New Yorker

. For years, Mearsheimer has argued that the U.S., in pushing to expand nato eastward and establishing friendly relations with Ukraine, has increased the likelihood of war between nuclear-armed powers and laid the groundwork for Vladimir Putin’s aggressive position toward Ukraine. Indeed, in 2014, after Russia annexed Crimea, Mearsheimer wrote that “the United States and its European allies share most of the responsibility for this crisis.”

That's literally what we've been talking about since this sparked off.
The possibility of a very short WW3 due to America using NATO as proxy for expanding their influence.

John Mearsheimer and the dark origins of realism - New Statesman
Russia isn’t willing to accept NATO expansion - The Washington Post

 

[Lord Beasley]

thats actually a pretty clever way of dealing with the issue

you'll have a bunch of lazy clowns who will complain about this, while also saying the government does nothing to help them and they don't support war machines, etc. great idea tho

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

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