Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

[The_Unchosen_One]

russia is not breaking up due to some damn sanctions. it is a quick off-ramp, a slow retreat like america in afghanistan, or WW3.

There's no off ramp where Putin saves face... it's win or bust for him at this point, he's doubling down on his double downs, all "talks" end up with same results... surrender and let me assassinate Zelenskyy or I will send more people

I'm thinking Zelenskyy banged Putins wife or something... and if so...

 

[NZA]

where are they headed my guy?

if i had to bet, i would put my money on an off-ramp. he gets to keep some more territory, crimea is official recognized by the west, zelensky is out by some means, AZOV annihilated or disbanded, and a specific deal to keep ukraine neutral

There's no off ramp where Putin saves face... it's win or bust for him at this point, he's doubling down on his double downs, all "talks" end up with same results... surrender and let me assassinate Zelenskyy or I will send more people

I'm thinking Zelenskyy banged Putins wife or something... and if so...

if kiyv never falls, russia may be forced to find symbolic victory. they already almost have one with mariupol aka the home of the nazis. if they completely level every building there and AZOV seems to no longer really exist, that is one of putin's goals accomplished. considering the CIA was using them as some kind of pet, that might be a little extra satisfaction for putin.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

russia is not breaking up due to some damn sanctions. it is a quick off-ramp, a slow retreat like america in afghanistan, or WW3.

I have to agree. The more I think about what brehs said earlier (NATO countries are willing to sacrifice Ukraine to get Russia out of the paint), the less likely it seems.

One thing brehs have to keep in mind is that all NATO leaders are having to deal with the Ukraine question domestically.

We are already hearing loud voices in the general public call for NATO to institute an NFZ.

And no, I'm not saying they should. But I am saying that there will be forces domestically who seek to take advantage of it and want to appear "more hawkish" on Ukraine.

We see it right now with Republicans. They haven't quite perfected their message yet, but they're trying to.

My point being, NATO can't just sit back and watch Ukraine burn and Russia's demise in a vacuum. Whatever happens there has the potential of blowing back domestically.

And if Putin or even Zelenskyy intimate that Russia is willing to withdraw if NATO promises to ease sanctions, and NATO is refusing to agree, there's no NATO leader that can withstand the fallout from that domestically.

I have to maintain my earlier stance. I believe that if Russia is willing to withdraw and make concessions (and I believe one of those concessions may be a removal of Putin as Russia's president, either that or a repeal of the measure that was passed allowing him to be president for life - they're going to try to limit his power in some capacity, they may even make a play for the release of Navalny, I dunno), then NATO will be willing to ease sanctions sooner rather than later.

I'm looking at it through the domestic political prism and I think that has to be considered when looking at it from the geopolitical stance.

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

Turkey has been about the "fukk around and find out" life since letting the US put nukes on their soil before the Cuban Missile Crisis.
the funny thing is that they always skate away.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

I don't know...Biden enforcing the no fly zone...likely?

Like I'm trying to think of positivity but..I was reading Micah and America has something come to us...we could very well be going through what Ukraine is.going through.

I

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Turkey has been about the "fukk around and find out" life since letting the US put nukes on their soil before the Cuban Missile Crisis.
the funny thing is that they always skate away.

I didn't know this

Yea if your leaders are willing to have the burden of dropping the flutes then

 

[newarkhiphop]

 

[newarkhiphop]

 

[newarkhiphop]

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

I didn't know this

Yea if your leaders are willing to have the burden of dropping the flutes then

like the previous post stated, Turkey recently bought Russian anti-air defenses against the US's will...

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Surreal


“There’s no talk of capitulation for Kyiv,” said Lt. Tetiana Chornovol, the commander of an anti-tank missile unit operating on the outskirts of the city. “Everything is going far better than we thought.”

Chornovol, 42, is a former activist in Ukraine’s street protest movement who sent her two children to safety before reporting for duty as a reserve officer. She commands two teams of a half-dozen or so people each, firing Ukrainian-made, tripod-mounted missiles, which they transport to ambush positions in their personal cars.

Chornovol drives a Chevy Volt electric hatchback, which she calls an “ecologically clean killing machine.”

Interviewed beside a burning grocery warehouse in the suburban town of Brovary, the lieutenant popped the hatchback to reveal a beige tube, holding a Stugna-P missile. It has a range of 3 miles and hits a target within a diameter of 1 foot.

Seemingly unfazed by combat, Chornovol described the Ukrainian tactic of ambushes that has defined the early phases of the battle for the capital. Last week, she said, she blew up a Russian tank a few miles east of Brovary on the M01 highway.

“We look for firing positions where we can see a stretch of road,” Chornovol said, adding that “we know a column will drive on the road” eventually. With her car parked some distance away, covered in camouflage, she and her team lay in wait in a tree line for three days before a Russian column came rumbling down the road.

When the command came to open fire, she used a laser to lock in on the tank, pushed a button, then watched as the tank lit up in flames before she rushed back to her car to escape return fire. “I shoot at armor,” she said, when asked about the human toll. “If they climb inside, it’s their fault.”


The Battle for Kyiv Looms as a Long and Bloody Conflict

Damn that article sure is descriptive...giving away Ukrainian tactics

On another note...the Ukranians are confident...I'm buying more into the belief that Russia is food ...Putin has to go ...if he can't accept this L..he may use the nukes...what's from stopping him?

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

I don't know...Biden enforcing the no fly zone...likely?

Like I'm trying to think of positivity but..I was reading Micah and America has something come to us...we could very well be going through what Ukraine is.going through.

I

The Book says that God will judge this nation, not Putin.

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

I have to agree. The more I think about what brehs said earlier (NATO countries are willing to sacrifice Ukraine to get Russia out of the paint), the less likely it seems.

One thing brehs have to keep in mind is that all NATO leaders are having to deal with the Ukraine question domestically.

We are already hearing loud voices in the general public call for NATO to institute an NFZ.

And no, I'm not saying they should. But I am saying that there will be forces domestically who seek to take advantage of it and want to appear "more hawkish" on Ukraine.

We see it right now with Republicans. They haven't quite perfected their message yet, but they're trying to.

My point being, NATO can't just sit back and watch Ukraine burn and Russia's demise in a vacuum. Whatever happens there has the potential of blowing back domestically.

And if Putin or even Zelenskyy intimate that Russia is willing to withdraw if NATO promises to ease sanctions, and NATO is refusing to agree, there's no NATO leader that can withstand the fallout from that domestically.

I have to maintain my earlier stance. I believe that if Russia is willing to withdraw and make concessions (and I believe one of those concessions may be a removal of Putin as Russia's president, either that or a repeal of the measure that was passed allowing him to be president for life - they're going to try to limit his power in some capacity, they may even make a play for the release of Navalny, I dunno), then NATO will be willing to ease sanctions sooner rather than later.

I'm looking at it through the domestic political prism and I think that has to be considered when looking at it from the geopolitical stance.

Putin is Persona non Grata status, breh.
the European map is

status right now.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Damn that article sure is descriptive...giving away Ukrainian tactics

On another note...the Ukranians are confident...I'm buying more into the belief that Russia is food ...Putin has to go ...if he can't accept this L..he may use the nukes...what's from stopping him?

Yep. It's probably propaganda to throw off Russian soldiers or scare them


I don't think they're stupid enough to give away actual battle strategies in the middle of war.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Putin is Persona non Grata status, breh.
the European map is

status right now.

Putin still has a lot of options before he gets to the point that you're talking about, breh.

And one could argue, that any action short of actually putting a nuke in the air still gives him an offramp.

That's the only action he can't come back from.