Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

[newarkhiphop]

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[[Something Cool]]

It basically turns them into a pseudo-buffer zone. One that Putin holds the cards to.

But at this point he's got to get out. His army and the Russian economy CANNOT sustain another 4 weeks of this. The damage may have already been done to Putin politically. Many of those business dollars aren't coming back. Youth, who haven't been arrested, will probably leave. Inflation is still going to be nuts. In a month, he may have torpedoed decades of financial skullduggery and political posturing.

At this point anything less than the total destruction of Ukraine's political autonomy is a failure.

Woof when that stock market re-opens

 

[MushroomX]

China is just as delusional. The U.S. actually has support in the West. They accept us as top dog, look to us for guidance and depend on us to be their military. And by “they” I mean the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Canada, Australia, etc. Who in Asia looks to China for that? Taiwan, Tibet, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Japan and South Korea can’t stand them. Their only devoted party in that neck of the woods is North Korea and that speaks for itself.

I also believe China is a bubble waiting to pop, just because alot of forces are at play; the more specific ones would be China mass rush into a Superpower, there is always a crash after a mass expansion; the ruling party's implementation of the 1 child for family rule, that is now 2 children for family, actually causing a huge disparity between young and old as there seems to be more retirees than people to backfill; and China as well going from self-sustanable to now being reliant on energy.

 

[OfTheCross]

 

[CEO of Morgan Industries]

It basically turns them into a pseudo-buffer zone. One that Putin holds the cards to.

But at this point he's got to get out. His army and the Russian economy CANNOT sustain another 4 weeks of this. The damage may have already been done to Putin politically. Many of those business dollars aren't coming back. Youth, who haven't been arrested, will probably leave. Inflation is still going to be nuts. In a month, he may have torpedoed decades of financial skullduggery and political posturing.

At this point anything less than the total destruction of Ukraine's political autonomy is a failure.

It's still not much of a win. He's going to spur much of the rest of Eastern Europe to apply to NATO, the EU, or both.

Combine that with scaring a number of EU nation states into higher military spending, and Putin probably just made his rivals to the west stronger. He's also decimated his ground forces and has probably made China more bold in encroaching into Central Asia, influence-wise.

Old boy is hustling backwards from where he got in 2016 with influencing Brexit and Trump. This feels like the most consequential military mistake since Hitler sent forces into the USSR in winter. Maybe that's crazy to say, but just how it feels right now.

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

It's still not much of a win. He's going to spur much of the rest of Eastern Europe to apply to NATO, the EU, or both.

Combine that with scaring a number of EU nation states into higher military spending, and Putin probably just made his rivals to the west stronger. He's also decimated his ground forces and has probably made China more bold in encroaching into Central Asia, influence-wise.

Old boy is hustling backwards from where he got in 2016 with influencing Brexit and Trump. This feels like the most consequential military mistake since Hitler sent forces into the USSR in winter. Maybe that's crazy to say, but just how it feels right now.

i agree. so far as failed military excursions go this is a second to Stalingrad which is in a league of it's own.

 

[jj23]

It basically turns them into a pseudo-buffer zone. One that Putin holds the cards to.

But at this point he's got to get out. His army and the Russian economy CANNOT sustain another 4 weeks of this. The damage may have already been done to Putin politically. Many of those business dollars aren't coming back. Youth, who haven't been arrested, will probably leave. Inflation is still going to be nuts. In a month, he may have torpedoed decades of financial skullduggery and political posturing.

At this point anything less than the total destruction of Ukraine's political autonomy is a failure.

A reasonable question to ask is, what happens when a peace agreement is reached, what happens to the blacklist? Will the West allow Russia any wriggle room?

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

China is just as delusional. The U.S. actually has support in the West. They accept us as top dog, look to us for guidance and depend on us to be their military. And by “they” I mean the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Canada, Australia, etc. Who in Asia looks to China for that? Taiwan, Tibet, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Japan and South Korea can’t stand them. Their only devoted party in that neck of the woods is North Korea and that speaks for itself.

Yep. China is trying to gain influence in Africa, but I wonder how that's going to work out in the long term.

 

[Alix217]

It was mainly the rest of the speech, particularly:



and:

This biolab shyt makes no sense. The US (or any wealthy country) could just as easily build a biolab in Alaska and transport whatever they're making by FedEx.

The fact that Putin even mentioned that crap is proof his advisers are feeding him idiocy and that he's probably not even in control as much as he thinks

 

[Black Magisterialness]

A reasonable question to ask is, what happens when a peace agreement is reached, what happens to the blacklist? Will the West allow Russia any wriggle room?

Cats out of the bag, IMO. There's no reason to lift any of those sanctions in the near future. NATO is FIRMLY back under the umbrella of the US. Which was a worry in the Trump years. US/UK leadership catapulted back to the front. Zelenski turned into a folk hero....outside of killing a bunch of white collar workers and old folks...what did Russia accomplish?

If anything its made China show a bit of their hand, which is to say they aren't ride or die for Russia. Xi is much more calculating than that. He knows that even with all their human capital, tech and soft power, China doesn't want open warfare either...that's been proven.

At every turn Putin's overplayed his hand and there's no reason to return any semblance of financial security to his regime. Win, lose or draw. Its about to be BAD for the Russian people. And they'll have no one to blame but Putin.,

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

During the Egyptian revolution, Logan and the news crew she was with, were beaten and sexually assaulted. It seems she was never the same after because she became a right-wing nut soon after.

Proof?

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

There were reports of a Foreign Legion training camp getting attacked.







Apparently, some Redditor was caught in the crossfire, and in the process of deserting.



Theories are that the volunteers accidently leaked their location from a social media post. Russians identified the location as a school, and started targeting all abandoned schools in the area, and eventually made their mark.

Made one atheist start believing in God.



But on the real, these folks were idiots. Gave away their own location trying to get clout.


Then wonder why the Ukrainians is trying to get them the hell away from them. Cause y'all idiots are getting folks killed!

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Ukraine war upended China's plan to invade Taiwan, alleged FSB whistleblower says

I dont believe this. China doesn't want that smoke with the US.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

"The nature of western guarantees for Ukrainian security — and their acceptability to Moscow — could yet prove to be a big obstacle to any deal, as could the status of Ukrainian territories seized by Russia and its proxies in 2014. A 1994 agreement underpinning Ukrainian security failed to prevent Russian aggression against its neighbour."

that's the key part.

Russia legit took over some bullshyt land in 2014 they dont even want, when they really want Kyiv. WTF.

 

[jj23]

Proof?

It's a google away. Probably doesn't need to be brought into the thread