Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Thinking it can't happen is how it does happen. Especially with our species. A healthy and rational level of fear and caution is still good to have.

I think that’s why the world has come together as it has for this situation.

I agree that rational fear and caution is good.

And I think that rational fear and caution is why the world won’t let Putin have his way. That shyt was stamped out within 72 hours.

The world ain’t gone stand for the fukkery anymore cause there’s enough economic and military power In cahoots to stop it.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

First off, Ukraine isn't a NATO partner nor has NATO ever said they will make Ukraine a NATO partner.

Second, the NATO shyt is a bullshyt excuse as Putin has said repeatedly that he doesn't think of Ukraine as a real country and believes it belongs to Russia. He wants to control Ukraine regardless of whether it is in NATO or not.

And third, they might "have a problem with it" but that doesn't mean they can invade the country and kill a bunch of people. Some of us are hoping to de-normalize that sort of shyt.

You know it’s bullshyt because he said he was going to defend the East…then ran straight to Kiev.

 

[TheAlbionist]

Times are different.

Back then, economies weren’t so intertwined.

The world was able to watch and kinda wait until they were forced in.

I agree things are different with the existence of the EU and NATO, but the rhetoric is remarkably similar ("Nobody would be crazy enough to start WW3, surely!") and if China and/or India decide to fall on Russia's side of the conflict a lot comes into play.

Yep we can and should bully economically, but part of that economic intertwining is a large part of our economic health in the West being based around cheap imported goods from China/Taiwan, cheap skilled labour from India, Hungary, Belarus, Ukraine, Russia etc and, in Europe especially, cheap imported energy and minerals from Russia and Ukraine.

The rush for PPE at the start of COVID demonstrated, especially in Europe, that we're dangerously reliant on "business as usual" global trade routes and relations - when they get disrupted because of competing demand or fractured relationships, so do we - badly.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Trotsky led the revolution. Lenin was just a writer and an orator. Trotsky did the actual military planning concerning defeating the Kornilov tsarist mutiny, the capture of Petrograd and subsequent installment of the Bolshevik government, and then he was also the supreme commander in the victory over the global coalition in the civil war.

That's something people forget, the Bolsheviks had to put down a military uprising against the democratic Provisional Government - this is what gave them the street cred they needed to pull off the October Revolution - and then they had to fight a war against basically the whole world to save the revolution immediately afterward.

There won't be any global pressure applied to a revolutionary government that overthrows Putin, but there will likely be some sort of civil war against factions loyal to him

What’s wild is when you read about how the West funded the Russian revolution to get them out of the war

 

[Jx2]

Keep doubling down and he’s gonna have his people eating pebbles

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Yeah I talked about it in the France thread The France Thread - 2022 Presidential Race

But it's on par for the course with the European far right. Putin finances them as they are politically aligned against what we call atlantism (pro-US paradigm). Zemmour is also championed by Roustrat which is an entity very close to Poutine's party.

France has always had some defiance of the US since De Gaulle so France could be some kind of balance between the US and Russia. That's why we quit NATO command in the 60s and closed NATO bases on our soil until Sarkozy put us back there as he was very pro-US.

Now in the name of gaullism, the far right parties pushes for getting out of NATO and the EU and forbeing closer to Russia in some convoluted nationalistic logic.
«Je suis pour l’alliance russe»: Éric Zemmour estime que la Russie serait un allié plus fiable que les USA

If that reminds you of a certain US president, it's normal

France is interesting to me. Apparently they spy on on us behind the Russians, chinese, and Israelis

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Im very skeptical, even the Russians know he's a sunken cost and cant be revived.

No question, it would bring the ridiculousness to a true zenith.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Holy shyt. They got hacked

 

[Jx2]

This is because none of his apps or accounts work

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I agree things are different with the existence of the EU and NATO, but the rhetoric is remarkably similar ("Nobody would be crazy enough to start WW3, surely!") and if China and/or India decide to fall on Russia's side of the conflict a lot comes into play.

Yep we can and should bully economically, but part of that economic intertwining is a large part of our economic health in the West being based around cheap imported goods from China/Taiwan, cheap skilled labour from India, Hungary, Belarus, Ukraine, Russia etc and, in Europe especially, cheap imported energy and minerals from Russia and Ukraine.

The rush for PPE at the start of COVID demonstrated, especially in Europe, that we're dangerously reliant on "business as usual" global trade routes and relations - when they get disrupted because of competing demand or fractured relationships, so do we - badly.

Again imo all of this is why there won’t/can’t be a WW3


As much as the world needs China/India/Russia for manufacturing/materials/energy

They also need the world, in order for their economies to exist.

It will all be worked out without major conflict because we all rely on “business as usual”

 

[jj23]

Man, that's straight stone age status.

 

[thatrapsfan]

European natural gas prices hit record highs again today.

Same with agricultural commodities. Countries that are food importers, especially poorer ones, will feel a lot of pain from this:
Wheat Soars to 14-Year High as Russia Invasion Chokes Trade

 

[jj23]

European natural gas prices hit record highs again today.

Same with agricultural commodities. Countries that are food importers, especially poorer ones, will feel a lot of pain from this:
Wheat Soars to 14-Year High as Russia Invasion Chokes Trade

Yep hopefully there are some assistance packages prepared to soften the blow for poorer countries.

If you use sunflower oil better start stocking up...

 

[YaThreadTrashB!]

This is also why people anticipating/clamoring for ww3 are way off base.

The world ain’t doing that again. The world powers are too powerful, and everyone else is too unified.

Any one or few countries pop off, the world will cancel/blow their ass up with the quickness and we all move on.

The days of conquest are over.

Worst case scenario we get a crazy leader to shoot some nukes, but in that case they would be nuked before they could even hit the button, and again, the world moves on.

Conquest is still on , China is just doing it by contracts and setting up ridiculous deals knowing that many country’s will not be able to pay off the loans