Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

[jj23]

What's the over/under that Russia will have succeeded in taking over the Ukraine? A month, two weeks?

Saturday

 

[Brehcepticon]

is involved in this somehow.

 

[The_Unchosen_One]

I think most people saying it are coming from a good place. They want to save the Ukrainians and end the battles. They don't really think of the fairly obvious consequences of those actions though.

So here's the dilemma

We aren't going to do anything to help because it's Russia

So we can't do anything to Russia since they have nukes

So Russia is allowed to do as they want essentially...

When China pulls this with Taiwan, we can't do anything about that either since they have nukes as well

The "we can't help a country that is being attacked by a superpower" arguement is bullshyt... We can, but we're scared because of the obvious dilemma with Putin... if it looks like he's gonna lose then he launches the nukes...

So what happens when he expands past Ukraine? Argument is still there that we can't attack... if we do, then we are saying we just didn't give a fukk about Ukraine

I don't want WW3... but it's coming... if nobody stands up, then Putin sees he's free to do as he wants

 

[LurkMoar]

I’m not ending the world cause of another bout of cac on cac European violence. Any advocacy for conflict with Russia is pure insanity. Economic war has already been declared and Russia going back to the Middle Ages, now we wait and start to offer deals to end the war and sanctions

 

[Arithmetic]

 

[88m3]

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[Trust Me]

Called it on Day 1...

Cliffnotes please. I got through a minute and a half of this dude talkin, and i couldn't deal with any more aahh's and mmm's and uhhh's

Absolutely no one from the US or NATO is going offensive unless this battle steps outside of Ukraine.

If Russia's really droppin thermobaric missiles/bombs in populated areas of Ukraine.. do you really think the UN and/or NATO is just gonna stand by and let Putin mutilate innocent people like that? I'd put it at close to 0%

 

[88m3]

Ides of March approaching

 

[MoneyTron]

If Russia's really droppin thermobaric missiles/bombs in populated areas of Ukraine.. do you really think the UN and/or NATO is just gonna stand by and let Putin mutilate innocent people like that? I'd put it at close to 0%

At this point, yes.

If Putin is dropping thermobaric bombs on his own people, as he claims Ukrainians are Russians, then he's probably losing.

 

[Trust Me]

I’m not ending the world cause of another bout of cac on cac European violence. Any advocacy for conflict with Russia is pure insanity. Economic war has already been declared and Russia going back to the Middle Ages, now we wait and start to offer deals to end the war and sanctions

You aint wrong.. but if it were only that simple.

 

[Trust Me]

At this point, yes.

Agree to disagree then.

You think Putin would stop at that? Cause I dont.

 

[987654321]

IF that is what was dropped, I don’t see how that isn’t the catalyst to NATO getting involved….


God I really hope that isn’t what that was….

Thermobaric weapons are commonly used. Our hellfire missiles have thermobaric warheads. I think Putins a bytch and there should be outside involvement but, if no one has intervened for an already unnecessary land grab they probably won’t.

 

[MoneyTron]

Agree to disagree then.

You think Putin would stop at that? Cause I dont.

Yes, because his intention isn't to leave Ukraine a smoldering mess. He could've done that day one. He hasn't sent in one strategic bomber yet and might not at all. When you see/hear this shyt, then I'll know he's gone off the rails.



As for NATO, they are defensive not offensive at least over Europe. Unless attacked, there are no plans to go into Ukraine.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Putin is doing exactly what Israel does and these cacs are calling him a war criminal

 

[HabitualChiller]

I disagree with nukes as being the most powerful geopolitical tool. Nukes haven't been used since 1945. They are a deterrent. Nothing more. No one even wants to use them because they are assured mutual destruction.

Unless you're telling me that you feel that Pakistan is a superpower. They have nuclear weapons too.

North Korea has nukes. Are they a superpower?

Then someone will probably tell me that the difference between them and russia is that Russia has logistical capabilities with their nuclear weapons.

So once North Korea improves their nuclear logistics, just like that, they're a superpower?

Really?

No. Having nuclear weapons would make one a nuclear power, but then again, even being able to build them essentially makes that country a superpower.

By definition, a superpower is a country that is able to assert their influence or power on a global scale. Nukes are very much so capable of that depending on their quality, as well as the military capabilities of the country that has them, which is why North Korea isn't regarded as a superpower (you're correct in your statement there.)

Sans nukes, the only superpowers are China and the US. As you can see this argument is kinda weird.