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Thanks, I wish this thread had more maps posted.northern kherson campaign ramping up today
What makes you say Russia was that close to fill its main objectives ? I don't recall seeing Russian troops threatening Kiev like that.This whole situation is wild to me. We can all say that Putin miscalculated this and miscalculated that, but he was REALLY close to overrunning the Ukrainian forces and just taking Kyiv. It was only an internal system of corruption and the complete reluctance of party subordinates to report to their superiors about the actual state of the military's readiness and capability. That's what you get with a system built on "Yes" men operating out of fear, they'll just tell you what you want to hear. Also, nothing indicated NATO members' stalwartness in the face of new aggression ( we all know they hit Crimea with the).
Now we're in an escalating proxy war in which I don't believe Russia has any hopes of winning due to incompetence and overreach. They will be fielding soldiers who are unmotivated AND now technologically outmatched. Do yall see an off-ramp to this? I don't, and that is concerning. Authoritarian regimes on the scale of Russia can't go quietly into the night, and there is no guarantee that whatever it's replaced with will be any better.
very early stages. if they didn't get forced into that logistical clusterfukk with the highway, very reasonable to say that they would've had the firepower to strangle out kiev
This whole situation is wild to me. We can all say that Putin miscalculated this and miscalculated that, but he was REALLY close to overrunning the Ukrainian forces and just taking Kyiv. It was only an internal system of corruption and the complete reluctance of party subordinates to report to their superiors about the actual state of the military's readiness and capability. That's what you get with a system built on "Yes" men operating out of fear, they'll just tell you what you want to hear. Also, nothing indicated NATO members' stalwartness in the face of new aggression ( we all know they hit Crimea with the
Now we're in an escalating proxy war in which I don't believe Russia has any hopes of winning due to incompetence and overreach. They will be fielding soldiers who are unmotivated AND now technologically outmatched. Do yall see an off-ramp to this? I don't, and that is concerning. Authoritarian regimes on the scale of Russia can't go quietly into the night, and there is no guarantee that whatever it's replaced with will be any better.
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Their poor logistics stopped them. If they were able to keep their supply lines together they wouldn’t have stalled and that caravan would’ve been knocking on Kiev's door in a few day's time. That stalling allowed Ukraine time to get the munitions they needed and it provided easy targets. Russia shot itself in the foot. I was trying to say if the Russian army was remotely capable (as they were on paper) they should have easily won this. That was pretty much everyone's consensus when this second invasion started and I was just thinking it's wild how left this conflict went and here we are at Cuban Missle Crisis levels of uncertainty (I don't think he'll do it).
Right, we’re saying the same thing basically. And you're right, the old Russian Doctrine of attrition will not win this fight against a better-trained Army that is fighting with purpose and has superior weapons.
They were never in the very heart of Kiev though. They were in its outskirts, they bombed the city, there were attempts from Russia to force its defenses but Ukraine resisted fiercely. All in all, I wouldn't say they were close to take it.
they were close enough to lay down consistent artillery within kiev's defensive lines and provide close support for armored advances around the clock for several days. they got sieged.
