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Ties between Russia and the Taliban worry Afghan, U.S. officials

* Afghans fear meetings could lead to financial, military support

* Russia denies providing Taliban aid, says supports peace talks

* Ties are "political and moral", Taliban say

* U.S. general calls Russia a "malign influence" (Adds Russian ambassador quotes)

By Hamid Shalizi and Josh Smith

KABUL, Dec 8 (Reuters) - Afghan and American officials are increasingly worried that any deepening of ties between Russia and Taliban militants fighting to topple the government in Kabul could complicate an already precarious security situation.

Russian officials have denied they provide aid to the insurgents, who are contesting large swathes of territory and inflicting heavy casualties, and say their limited contacts are aimed at bringing the Taliban to the negotiating table.

Leaders in Kabul say Russian support for the Afghan Taliban appears to be mostly political so far.

But a series of recent meetings they say has taken place in Moscow and Tajikistan has made Afghan intelligence and defence officials nervous about more direct support including weapons or funding.

A senior Afghan security official called Russian support for the Taliban a "dangerous new trend", an analysis echoed by the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, General John Nicholson.

He told reporters at a briefing in Washington last week that Russia had joined Iran and Pakistan as countries with a "malign influence" in Afghanistan, and said Moscow was lending legitimacy to the Taliban.

Russia's ambassador to Kabul, Alexander Mantytskiy, told reporters on Thursday that his government's contacts with the insurgent group were aimed at ensuring the safety of Russian citizens and encouraging peace talks.

"We do not have intensive contacts with the Taliban," he said through an interpreter, adding that Russia favoured a negotiated peace in Afghanistan which could only happen by cultivating contacts with all players, including the Taliban.

Mantytskiy expressed annoyance at persistant accusations of Russian collaboration with the Taliban, saying the statements by American and Afghan officials were an effort to distract attention from the worsening conflict.

"They are trying to put the blame for their failures on our shoulders," he told Reuters.

ANOTHER "GREAT GAME"?

Afghanistan has long been the scene of international intrigue and intervention, with the British and Russians jockeying for power during the 19th Century "Great Game," and the United States helping Pakistan provide weapons and funding to Afghan rebels fighting Soviet forces in the 1980s.

Taliban officials told Reuters that the group has had significant contacts with Moscow since at least 2007, adding that Russian involvement did not extend beyond "moral and political support".

"We had a common enemy," said one senior Taliban official. "We needed support to get rid of the United States and its allies in Afghanistan and Russia wanted all foreign troops to leave Afghanistan as quickly as possible."

Moscow has been critical of the United States and NATO over their handling of the war in Afghanistan, but Russia initially helped provide helicopters for the Afghan military and agreed to a supply route for coalition materials through Russia.

Most of that cooperation has fallen apart as relations between Russia and the West deteriorated in recent years over the conflicts in Ukraine and Syria.

Incoming U.S. president Donald Trump, who takes office in January, has signaled a desire to improve relations with Russia, meaning future U.S. and Russian policies could change.

FOREIGN MEETINGS

In recent months, Taliban representatives have held several meetings with Russian officials, according to Taliban and Afghan government sources.

Those meetings included a visit to Tajikistan by the Taliban shadow governor of Kunduz province, Mullah Abdul Salam, said Kunduz police chief Qasim Jangalbagh.

Another recent meeting occurred in Moscow itself, according to an official at the presidential palace in Kabul.

Earlier this week Afghan lawmakers said they planned to investigate reports of Russian aid to the Taliban, and had sent a letter to Moscow seeking clarification.

Afghan officials did not produce evidence of direct Russian aid, but recent cross-border flights by unidentified helicopters and seizures of new "Russian-made" guns had raised concerns that regional actors may be playing a larger role, Jangalbagh said.

"If the Taliban get their hands on anti-aircraft guns provided, for example, by Russia, then it is a game-changer, and forget about peace," said another senior Afghan security official.

ISLAMIC STATE OR UNITED STATES?

According to Afghan and U.S. officials, Russian representatives have maintained that government security forces, backed by U.S. special forces and air strikes, have not done enough to stem the growth of Islamic State in Afghanistan.

Militants loyal to the radical Middle East-based network have carved out territory along the border with Pakistan, and have found themselves fighting not only Afghan and foreign troops, but also the Taliban, who compete for land, influence, and fighters.

Taliban officials dismissed the idea that their ties to Russia had anything to do with fighting Islamic State.

"In early 2008, when Russia began supporting us, ISIS(Islamic State) didn't exist anywhere in the world," the senior Taliban official said. "Their sole purpose was to strengthen us against the U.S. and its allies."

That was echoed by Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid, who said "ISIS is not an issue".

Nicholson said the talk of Islamic State is a smokescreen designed to justify Russian policies.

"Their (Russia's) narrative goes something like this: that the Taliban are the ones fighting Islamic State, not the Afghan government," Nicholson said.

"So this public legitimacy that Russia lends to the Taliban is not based on fact, but is used as a way to essentially undermine the Afghan government and the NATO efforts and bolster the belligerents." (Additional reporting by Jibran Ahmad in Pakistan and Tatiana Ustinova and Andrew Osborn in Moscow; Editing by Mike Collett-White)

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Putin has a very cozy relationship with Islam
Russia has close ties with Iran. Russia has thrown its bet on the Iranians. Iran is gonna buy a shyt ton of advanced Russian and Chinese weapons. Iran is large country with a powerful military and the potential to be the regional power like Turkey or Israel. My best bet Russia wants to use iran and its proxies to destablize mideast countries like Saudi Arabia for example. Remember Saudi Arabia has an oppressed sizable shia population that Iran is looking to liberate to ultimately destroy Saudi Arabia. Russia hasnt forgotten what Saudi Arabia did in Chechnya in the 90s. There was alot of Saudi foreign fighters who went into Chechnya for jihad and they had alot of support from "Islamic charities" who were being funded by wealthy Saudis even some from the govt. So the Russians blame them for instigating the invasion of Dagestan which led to the second Chechen war in which brutally crushed the chechen rebels and their jihadist allies. Also the Saudis backed the Afghan rebels and sent Saudi foreign fighters(OBL) to fight the Soviet Union. So they hate them.

Russia has ties with Egypt is also gonna use this to isolate Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia has been using Egypt like it is its bytch since the revolution in 2011. The Egyptian govt actually supports Assad and sees what the Saudis is doing by supporting jihadist rebels. Also they told Saudi Arabia that they aint sending ground troops in Yemen because they knew any ground wa rin Yemen would be a quagmire. So with Egypt and Saudi Arabia's relationship getting strained Russia sees an opportunity. At the end of the day Russia sees Saudi Arabia for what it is and will use Iran as the vehicle to destroy them. With Saudi Arabia in chaos that means higher gas prices fro both Russia and iran and they take out their age old enemy. And we are stuck backing Saudi Arabia. :scust:
 

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Meanwhile the US lost its pipeline and heavy influence in the Arab Mediterranean and SOMEONES taken over :mjpls:


A couple of jets is nothing to dominate that region :mjpls:
:yeshrug: You guys have the GOAT politician in Putin.


Its like having Bill Belicheck coaching your team vs a Mike Tomlin
 
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