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The utter fact that people talk about getting rid of Jimmy makes me happy none of y'all are the GM
Run The Damn Ball Kyle!!! 2020 49ers Offseason Thread.
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I been seeing that move Sherman to safety shyt floating around. He’s not a hitter and he isn’t fast enough. I’m good. He has to play nickel or bounce
This is worth a read. I'm only posting the fourth quarter break down. Its easy to bag on Shanny and he deserves criticism, but after reading this Jimmy G just simply couldn't make plays when we needed him to in the 4th quarter. Which is unusual for him because he usually delivers when SF needs him maybe the stage was too big idk 
With 7:13 left in the game, Mahomes faced a third-and-15 — a very improbable conversion for most quarterbacks. But Mahomes isn’t most quarterbacks. According to ESPN Stats & Info, during the season and playoffs, on third-and-15, Mahomes was 13 for 17 and threw for 299 yards and three touchdowns with no interceptions. Some of those are garbage yards that didn’t reach the first-down marker, but those three touchdowns show he can thrive in a situation that most teams give up in.
Fourth quarter, 7:13
Chiefs quarterbacks coach Mike Kafka told NBC’s Peter King that Mahomes was the one who called the play (2-3 Jet Wasp).
“I just wanted to run it to get it out there and give Tyreek a chance to make a play,” Mahomes told King after the game. “How they were playing, I knew it would be Tyreek one-on-one with the safety.”
Kafka said they set the play up in the first half. I believe this was the “set-up” play:
You could even make the case that this play was set up in 2018 when the 49ers played the Chiefs in Week 3.
In that game, the Chiefs faced a third-and-16. The 49ers played Cover 3 Match and nickel corner K’waun Williams got matched up on former Chiefs receiver Chris Conley. Mahomes bought time and threw a perfect pass to Conley. Williams couldn’t make a play on the ball and interfered with Conley, giving the Chiefs a first down.
In the Super Bowl, the 49ers played Cover 3 Buzz.
In Cover 3 Buzz, the linebacker will run with the No. 2 receiver vertical for a distance, but it is the corner’s or free safety’s responsibility to take him deep.
Hill lined up as the No. 2 receiver and tight end Travis Kelce lined up as the No. 3 receiver. Kelce ran a deep crosser and Hill ran right at Ward on what looked like a seam. The play was designed to look like verticals, initially.
However, instead of a fade, Watkins ran a dig on the outside. Cornerback Emmanuel Moseley, who was supposed to stay in his deep third, made the fatal mistake of following Watkins. Ward’s job is to defend the middle of the field, so when Hill broke off his seam to the corner, he had no shot of making the play.
Mahomes took an unusually long drop back on the play because he knew he needed time for the route to develop. Luckily for Mahomes, the 49ers had a slow-developing stunt on the left side called and Ford, who was on the right, was more concerned with containing Mahomes rather than rushing him. Mahomes completed the 44-yard pass and the Chiefs officially were awakened. A few plays later, Mahomes threw a touchdown pass to Kelce to cut the score to 20-17.
On the next drive, Shanahan rightfully didn’t want to bleed the clock just yet. They weren’t in four-minute drill territory and the Chiefs were loading up against the run.
“Last thing you are thinking about when you are up three points and there’s that much time left. Clock’s not an issue at the time, especially with the timeouts that teams have. The issue is moving the chains,” Shanahan said after the game. “If you move the chains, you will run the clock.”
The 49ers ran the ball for 5 yards on the first play of the drive but on the next play, the Chiefs had the 49ers outnumbered in the box with Garoppolo not being much of a running threat, so Shanahan had the right call in by passing the ball with a low-risk fake bubble concept.
Fourth quarter, 5:27
Deebo Samuel ran a funky return motion and faked like he was going for a bubble screen. Kittle and Juszczyk were lined up out wide and looked like they could be set up there as blockers. Kittle faked liked he was stalk blocking before cutting inside.
The Chiefs were in Cover 4 to Kittle’s side but because they loaded the box, veteran edge rusher Terrell Suggs had to bust his tail to get outside and run underneath of Kittle. He initially ran to Samuel first, so Kittle practically had free access to the inside.
However, Suggs’ presence caused Garoppolo to double-clutch the ball ever so slightly. Defensive tackle Chris Jones, who was a monster in this game, saw Garoppolo clutch and sank back to knock the pass down. If the ball got to Kittle, he would only have had Sorensen in his way and we’ve all seen how difficult Kittle is to bring down one-on-one in the open field.
On third-and-5, the 49ers once again missed a big play opportunity to Kittle.
Shanahan called one of the 49ers’ base pass concepts: arches. Bourne was lined up outside and had the “alert” route, meaning the quarterback will only look to this route if he likes the pre-snap look and he might peek at it after the snap.
Garoppolo might have assumed that Kittle would be double-teamed on third down because he stuck with the “alert” for far too long and didn’t even see Kittle break wide open on the arch route. This time, there was no one inside where Kittle ran his route — this play looked as if it could at least have gotten the ball past midfield.
Bourne usually has a corner route on this concept but he throttled down and ran a swirl route. This could be an adjustment that Shanahan added to the play or a mistake by Bourne. Regardless, Garoppolo was hit while throwing and the ball fluttered incomplete.
In the Super Bowl, the 49ers showed a similar two-deep shell with Sherman in press coverage. Mahomes seemed to know that the 49ers would rotate into Cover 1 because he looked to Watkins as soon as he finished his play fake. The Chiefs had a quick concept called, but the outside routes converted to fades against press coverage.
Watkins knew Sherman would play heavy outside so he took an inside release as Adams did before stacking him outside.
Mahomes threw an absolutely perfect pass without too much air underneath it so that the free safety couldn’t make a play on the ball. Mahomes’ ability to read the defense’s disguise and execute a perfect pass on a low-percentage fade is just unreal for a third-year quarterback.
Soon after, Garoppolo would get his chance for glory on the ensuing drive but couldn’t make the pass.
Fourth quarter, 1:40
On third-and-10, Spagnuolo once again called for two double-teams. With Kittle in the backfield, the Chiefs doubled Samuel and Sanders. They called a “cut” on Sanders, which meant the inside defender played shallow and the outside defender played deep. Shanahan seemed to know that this is how the Chiefs would line up because he called the perfect play to beat this coverage — he had Sanders run a deep post. With the insider defender playing shallow, Sanders had the speed to get on top of him and run away from the outside defender.
With the only deep defender playing outside of Sanders, he got wide open in the middle of the field.
However, Garoppolo overthrew him by nearly 5 yards. This throw isn’t easy but with how much separation Sanders created, if the ball was thrown anywhere near him he would have had a great chance at bringing the pass in or drawing a defensive pass interference.
By my count, Garoppolo missed six open receivers in the fourth quarter for various reasons (two batted passes). That is just too many missed opportunities to keep pace with Mahomes. The difference in the game was one quarterback kept making difficult plays, while the other missed open throws. This Super Bowl is a testimony to how important the quarterback position is in football. Can Garoppolo play better? His inconsistency is maddening but we’ve seen him play better and he just finished his first full season as a starter, so there’s hope. Meanwhile, the Chiefs are the envy of the league because they don’t just have a good quarterback, they might have one of all the all-time greats when it’s all said and done.
Fourth quarter, 7:13
Chiefs quarterbacks coach Mike Kafka told NBC’s Peter King that Mahomes was the one who called the play (2-3 Jet Wasp).
“I just wanted to run it to get it out there and give Tyreek a chance to make a play,” Mahomes told King after the game. “How they were playing, I knew it would be Tyreek one-on-one with the safety.”
Kafka said they set the play up in the first half. I believe this was the “set-up” play:
You could even make the case that this play was set up in 2018 when the 49ers played the Chiefs in Week 3.
In that game, the Chiefs faced a third-and-16. The 49ers played Cover 3 Match and nickel corner K’waun Williams got matched up on former Chiefs receiver Chris Conley. Mahomes bought time and threw a perfect pass to Conley. Williams couldn’t make a play on the ball and interfered with Conley, giving the Chiefs a first down.
In the Super Bowl, the 49ers played Cover 3 Buzz.
In Cover 3 Buzz, the linebacker will run with the No. 2 receiver vertical for a distance, but it is the corner’s or free safety’s responsibility to take him deep.
Hill lined up as the No. 2 receiver and tight end Travis Kelce lined up as the No. 3 receiver. Kelce ran a deep crosser and Hill ran right at Ward on what looked like a seam. The play was designed to look like verticals, initially.
However, instead of a fade, Watkins ran a dig on the outside. Cornerback Emmanuel Moseley, who was supposed to stay in his deep third, made the fatal mistake of following Watkins. Ward’s job is to defend the middle of the field, so when Hill broke off his seam to the corner, he had no shot of making the play.
Mahomes took an unusually long drop back on the play because he knew he needed time for the route to develop. Luckily for Mahomes, the 49ers had a slow-developing stunt on the left side called and Ford, who was on the right, was more concerned with containing Mahomes rather than rushing him. Mahomes completed the 44-yard pass and the Chiefs officially were awakened. A few plays later, Mahomes threw a touchdown pass to Kelce to cut the score to 20-17.
On the next drive, Shanahan rightfully didn’t want to bleed the clock just yet. They weren’t in four-minute drill territory and the Chiefs were loading up against the run.
“Last thing you are thinking about when you are up three points and there’s that much time left. Clock’s not an issue at the time, especially with the timeouts that teams have. The issue is moving the chains,” Shanahan said after the game. “If you move the chains, you will run the clock.”
The 49ers ran the ball for 5 yards on the first play of the drive but on the next play, the Chiefs had the 49ers outnumbered in the box with Garoppolo not being much of a running threat, so Shanahan had the right call in by passing the ball with a low-risk fake bubble concept.
Fourth quarter, 5:27
Deebo Samuel ran a funky return motion and faked like he was going for a bubble screen. Kittle and Juszczyk were lined up out wide and looked like they could be set up there as blockers. Kittle faked liked he was stalk blocking before cutting inside.
The Chiefs were in Cover 4 to Kittle’s side but because they loaded the box, veteran edge rusher Terrell Suggs had to bust his tail to get outside and run underneath of Kittle. He initially ran to Samuel first, so Kittle practically had free access to the inside.
However, Suggs’ presence caused Garoppolo to double-clutch the ball ever so slightly. Defensive tackle Chris Jones, who was a monster in this game, saw Garoppolo clutch and sank back to knock the pass down. If the ball got to Kittle, he would only have had Sorensen in his way and we’ve all seen how difficult Kittle is to bring down one-on-one in the open field.
On third-and-5, the 49ers once again missed a big play opportunity to Kittle.
Shanahan called one of the 49ers’ base pass concepts: arches. Bourne was lined up outside and had the “alert” route, meaning the quarterback will only look to this route if he likes the pre-snap look and he might peek at it after the snap.
Garoppolo might have assumed that Kittle would be double-teamed on third down because he stuck with the “alert” for far too long and didn’t even see Kittle break wide open on the arch route. This time, there was no one inside where Kittle ran his route — this play looked as if it could at least have gotten the ball past midfield.
Bourne usually has a corner route on this concept but he throttled down and ran a swirl route. This could be an adjustment that Shanahan added to the play or a mistake by Bourne. Regardless, Garoppolo was hit while throwing and the ball fluttered incomplete.
In the Super Bowl, the 49ers showed a similar two-deep shell with Sherman in press coverage. Mahomes seemed to know that the 49ers would rotate into Cover 1 because he looked to Watkins as soon as he finished his play fake. The Chiefs had a quick concept called, but the outside routes converted to fades against press coverage.
Watkins knew Sherman would play heavy outside so he took an inside release as Adams did before stacking him outside.
Mahomes threw an absolutely perfect pass without too much air underneath it so that the free safety couldn’t make a play on the ball. Mahomes’ ability to read the defense’s disguise and execute a perfect pass on a low-percentage fade is just unreal for a third-year quarterback.
Soon after, Garoppolo would get his chance for glory on the ensuing drive but couldn’t make the pass.
Fourth quarter, 1:40
On third-and-10, Spagnuolo once again called for two double-teams. With Kittle in the backfield, the Chiefs doubled Samuel and Sanders. They called a “cut” on Sanders, which meant the inside defender played shallow and the outside defender played deep. Shanahan seemed to know that this is how the Chiefs would line up because he called the perfect play to beat this coverage — he had Sanders run a deep post. With the insider defender playing shallow, Sanders had the speed to get on top of him and run away from the outside defender.
With the only deep defender playing outside of Sanders, he got wide open in the middle of the field.
However, Garoppolo overthrew him by nearly 5 yards. This throw isn’t easy but with how much separation Sanders created, if the ball was thrown anywhere near him he would have had a great chance at bringing the pass in or drawing a defensive pass interference.
By my count, Garoppolo missed six open receivers in the fourth quarter for various reasons (two batted passes). That is just too many missed opportunities to keep pace with Mahomes. The difference in the game was one quarterback kept making difficult plays, while the other missed open throws. This Super Bowl is a testimony to how important the quarterback position is in football. Can Garoppolo play better? His inconsistency is maddening but we’ve seen him play better and he just finished his first full season as a starter, so there’s hope. Meanwhile, the Chiefs are the envy of the league because they don’t just have a good quarterback, they might have one of all the all-time greats when it’s all said and done.
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feelosofer
#ninergang
Sherman is the best CB on the team. Its is not close. He will be our #1 and rightfully so. Sherman is not a safety. We have safeties literally on deck.
This is worth a read. I'm only posting the fourth quarter break down. Its easy to bag on Shanny and he deserves criticism, but after reading this Jimmy G just simply couldn't make plays when we needed him to in the 4th quarter. Which is unusual for him because he usually delivers when SF needs him maybe the stage was too big idk
With 7:13 left in the game, Mahomes faced a third-and-15 — a very improbable conversion for most quarterbacks. But Mahomes isn’t most quarterbacks. According to ESPN Stats & Info, during the season and playoffs, on third-and-15, Mahomes was 13 for 17 and threw for 299 yards and three touchdowns with no interceptions. Some of those are garbage yards that didn’t reach the first-down marker, but those three touchdowns show he can thrive in a situation that most teams give up in.
Fourth quarter, 7:13
Chiefs quarterbacks coach Mike Kafka told NBC’s Peter King that Mahomes was the one who called the play (2-3 Jet Wasp).
“I just wanted to run it to get it out there and give Tyreek a chance to make a play,” Mahomes told King after the game. “How they were playing, I knew it would be Tyreek one-on-one with the safety.”
Kafka said they set the play up in the first half. I believe this was the “set-up” play:
You could even make the case that this play was set up in 2018 when the 49ers played the Chiefs in Week 3.
In that game, the Chiefs faced a third-and-16. The 49ers played Cover 3 Match and nickel corner K’waun Williams got matched up on former Chiefs receiver Chris Conley. Mahomes bought time and threw a perfect pass to Conley. Williams couldn’t make a play on the ball and interfered with Conley, giving the Chiefs a first down.
In the Super Bowl, the 49ers played Cover 3 Buzz.
In Cover 3 Buzz, the linebacker will run with the No. 2 receiver vertical for a distance, but it is the corner’s or free safety’s responsibility to take him deep.
Hill lined up as the No. 2 receiver and tight end Travis Kelce lined up as the No. 3 receiver. Kelce ran a deep crosser and Hill ran right at Ward on what looked like a seam. The play was designed to look like verticals, initially.
However, instead of a fade, Watkins ran a dig on the outside. Cornerback Emmanuel Moseley, who was supposed to stay in his deep third, made the fatal mistake of following Watkins. Ward’s job is to defend the middle of the field, so when Hill broke off his seam to the corner, he had no shot of making the play.
Mahomes took an unusually long drop back on the play because he knew he needed time for the route to develop. Luckily for Mahomes, the 49ers had a slow-developing stunt on the left side called and Ford, who was on the right, was more concerned with containing Mahomes rather than rushing him. Mahomes completed the 44-yard pass and the Chiefs officially were awakened. A few plays later, Mahomes threw a touchdown pass to Kelce to cut the score to 20-17.
On the next drive, Shanahan rightfully didn’t want to bleed the clock just yet. They weren’t in four-minute drill territory and the Chiefs were loading up against the run.
“Last thing you are thinking about when you are up three points and there’s that much time left. Clock’s not an issue at the time, especially with the timeouts that teams have. The issue is moving the chains,” Shanahan said after the game. “If you move the chains, you will run the clock.”
The 49ers ran the ball for 5 yards on the first play of the drive but on the next play, the Chiefs had the 49ers outnumbered in the box with Garoppolo not being much of a running threat, so Shanahan had the right call in by passing the ball with a low-risk fake bubble concept.
Fourth quarter, 5:27
Deebo Samuel ran a funky return motion and faked like he was going for a bubble screen. Kittle and Juszczyk were lined up out wide and looked like they could be set up there as blockers. Kittle faked liked he was stalk blocking before cutting inside.
The Chiefs were in Cover 4 to Kittle’s side but because they loaded the box, veteran edge rusher Terrell Suggs had to bust his tail to get outside and run underneath of Kittle. He initially ran to Samuel first, so Kittle practically had free access to the inside.
However, Suggs’ presence caused Garoppolo to double-clutch the ball ever so slightly. Defensive tackle Chris Jones, who was a monster in this game, saw Garoppolo clutch and sank back to knock the pass down. If the ball got to Kittle, he would only have had Sorensen in his way and we’ve all seen how difficult Kittle is to bring down one-on-one in the open field.
On third-and-5, the 49ers once again missed a big play opportunity to Kittle.
Shanahan called one of the 49ers’ base pass concepts: arches. Bourne was lined up outside and had the “alert” route, meaning the quarterback will only look to this route if he likes the pre-snap look and he might peek at it after the snap.
Garoppolo might have assumed that Kittle would be double-teamed on third down because he stuck with the “alert” for far too long and didn’t even see Kittle break wide open on the arch route. This time, there was no one inside where Kittle ran his route — this play looked as if it could at least have gotten the ball past midfield.
Bourne usually has a corner route on this concept but he throttled down and ran a swirl route. This could be an adjustment that Shanahan added to the play or a mistake by Bourne. Regardless, Garoppolo was hit while throwing and the ball fluttered incomplete.
In the Super Bowl, the 49ers showed a similar two-deep shell with Sherman in press coverage. Mahomes seemed to know that the 49ers would rotate into Cover 1 because he looked to Watkins as soon as he finished his play fake. The Chiefs had a quick concept called, but the outside routes converted to fades against press coverage.
Watkins knew Sherman would play heavy outside so he took an inside release as Adams did before stacking him outside.
Mahomes threw an absolutely perfect pass without too much air underneath it so that the free safety couldn’t make a play on the ball. Mahomes’ ability to read the defense’s disguise and execute a perfect pass on a low-percentage fade is just unreal for a third-year quarterback.
Soon after, Garoppolo would get his chance for glory on the ensuing drive but couldn’t make the pass.
Fourth quarter, 1:40
On third-and-10, Spagnuolo once again called for two double-teams. With Kittle in the backfield, the Chiefs doubled Samuel and Sanders. They called a “cut” on Sanders, which meant the inside defender played shallow and the outside defender played deep. Shanahan seemed to know that this is how the Chiefs would line up because he called the perfect play to beat this coverage — he had Sanders run a deep post. With the insider defender playing shallow, Sanders had the speed to get on top of him and run away from the outside defender.
With the only deep defender playing outside of Sanders, he got wide open in the middle of the field.
However, Garoppolo overthrew him by nearly 5 yards. This throw isn’t easy but with how much separation Sanders created, if the ball was thrown anywhere near him he would have had a great chance at bringing the pass in or drawing a defensive pass interference.
By my count, Garoppolo missed six open receivers in the fourth quarter for various reasons (two batted passes). That is just too many missed opportunities to keep pace with Mahomes. The difference in the game was one quarterback kept making difficult plays, while the other missed open throws. This Super Bowl is a testimony to how important the quarterback position is in football. Can Garoppolo play better? His inconsistency is maddening but we’ve seen him play better and he just finished his first full season as a starter, so there’s hope. Meanwhile, the Chiefs are the envy of the league because they don’t just have a good quarterback, they might have one of all the all-time greats when it’s all said and done.
Jimmy made the plays needed to get us here. Yes he has exp with the Pats but this was the 1st SB. Nothing he did out there indicated we need to move on from him this offseason.
feelosofer
#ninergang
Bruh. You are the enemy (not really breh we are having fun out here) and being objective.
Bryan Danielson
Jmare007 x Bryan Danielson x JLova = King Ghidorah
Bryan Danielson
Jmare007 x Bryan Danielson x JLova = King Ghidorah
The utter fact that people talk about getting rid of Jimmy makes me happy none of y'all are the GM
People said the same shyt about steve young before 94/95. Not saying Jimmy is there.. but its a little ridiculous.
sidenikkagawd
We want all the smoke
Jimmy would have to have a Ryan MVP like season to get me to believe in him again. The missed reads and overthrow to Sanders made me lose all faith. Prime Eli makes those throws which is why he has 2 rings. You can say what you want to about Shanny game management, but we gotta $100M QB that has EVERYTHING a QB needs to win a 'ship and he failed.
sidenikkagawd
We want all the smoke
Jimmy ain't Steve and the Niners don't have a 90's like Cowboys team threatening our chances to make it out of the NFC.
Bryan Danielson
Jmare007 x Bryan Danielson x JLova = King Ghidorah
Jimmy would have to have a Ryan MVP like season to get me to believe in him again. The missed reads and overthrow to Sanders made me lose all faith. Prime Eli makes those throws which is why he has 2 rings. You can say what you want to about Shanny game management, but we gotta $100M QB that has EVERYTHING a QB needs to win a 'ship and he failed.
Either way, we too far into this now. The window is wide open so we have to take it.
Ain’t no new QB coming in here right now, learning Kyles complex Offense in one offseason and taking us to a 13+ win season again and a SB.
Get a new QB at this point of the game and we may as well just trade DeFo, Kittles and some other key guys and rebuild
sidenikkagawd
We want all the smoke
Mullens did decent under Shanny as a rookie with only Kittle to throw to. If Jimmy doesn't improve significantly next year, he should be gone. There were be no need to trade GK and DB also since they only 25-26.
Bryan Danielson
Jmare007 x Bryan Danielson x JLova = King Ghidorah
And you’re right..... Mullins with his 2-2 start did do a decent job, but decent probably only gets us to the Playoffs, will that really be enough at this point?
If we bring that up it’s fair to equally bring up Jimmy was something like 8-0 with only Kittle to throw to.
We sometime gotta recognize what we have and stop the quarterback carousel. The most successful teams have the same QB and ride or die with them.
Like it’s like so many of y’all forgot what we just went through or where we came from regarding our QB search
