Ron Harper: 1997 Bulls Would Sweep the Warriors

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Same guy who tried to use physical play as a plea is saying it wont affect anything now .

In what context did I use physical play as a plea?

You can prepare for strategies and concepts in theory. You cant prepare for getting grabbed or pushed (especially when you have never experienced it before) in theory.

Did you not watch the Grizzlies/Warriors and Cavs/Warriors series?

That along with the moment will have a greater impact on the Warriors than a new zone concept will on a team with previous experience.

It won't breh. It's not even really a point in which we can agree to disagree. You're wrong. The difference in physical play from the 97 playoffs to the 2015 playoffs is minimal (this is without mentioning physical play would have more influence on a post/iso based team, not a jumpshooting team who move the ball) - the difference in how an elite zone defense would affect a 90s team is far greater.

 

[ghostwriterx]

So the 97 bulls were also flabby n sick then by only looking at ages this years spurs is also flabby as well right?

Obviously I'm exaggerating a bit, the point was the core of that Jazz team was well past its physical prime. The Bulls were an old team as well.

 

[FTBS]

In what context did I use physical play as a plea?

Did you not watch the Grizzlies/Warriors and Cavs/Warriors series?

It won't breh. It's not even really a point in which we can agree to disagree. You're wrong. The difference in physical play from the 97 playoffs to the 2015 playoffs is minimal (this is without mentioning physical play would have more influence on a post/iso based team, not a jumpshooting team who move the ball) - the difference in how an elite zone defense would affect a 90s team is far greater.

I told you already and your old thorough, diggin in the crates ass knows what u said You said that the refs allowing Cle to get away with more contributed to their early success against GSW.

Yeah I watched two teams that are inferior to the Bulls in every way jump out to 2-1 leads.

If u are constantly getting bumped and grabbed thats gonna affect u no matter how u play especially if u arent used to it. What are you even arguing here? We saw the physical play affect them against limited teams. You tried to use it as an excuse before but now we gonna act like even more physical play isnt gonna hurt them against a great squad.

 

[ghostwriterx]

To be fair Mailman had one of the greatest extended primes ever and it's hard to pinpoint a peak year for him. He didn't fall off until the early 2000s. Stock played at relatively the same level on a per minute basis too. Those dudes had Father Time shook for a minute

Their skill-sets and the watered down league allowed them to thrive past their physical peaks. Think Duncan the last few years.

 

[Shadow King]

Warriors would squeeze out a win

 

[Noah]

Their skill-sets and the watered down league allowed them to thrive past their physical peaks. Think Duncan the last few years.

I agree the league was kinda watered down by '97 or '98 ish with the expansion, McIlvane getting that ridiculous contract instead of Kemp getting paid which resulted in fallout, Shaq not hitting his peak yet, '96 draft class wasn't developed yet etc but there were still a few strong western teams.

Malone was still a 20+ PPG scorer and good man-to-man defender. He and Duncan evolved quite differently as Duncan's defensive impact improved while he's not much of a volume scorer anymore.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I told you already amd your old thorough, diggin in the crates ass knows what u said You said that the refs allowing Cle to get away with more contributed to their early success against GSW.

I also said the MAIN reason was that the Warriors role players didn't take open shots + missed open shots. Yes their physical play (which again I reiterated by saying it was mostly down to them shutting down Curry's options = 'Illegal defense') did play a part in their success. It's not absolute, there were many factors that led to the Cavs taking Games 2 and 3.

By me saying that the physical play of the late 90s wouldn't have as much of an effect as you're making it out to be, is that they experienced similar physical play all throughout last season's playoffs. I never said or insinuated it wouldn't affect their play at all, just that it wouldn't be the same as the Bulls dealing with an elite zone defense and you making it that they wouldn't be able to deal with physical play like the the WCSF and Finals didn't happen.

If the Warriors role players actually hit open shots in those first few games, the Cavs "physical play" would be a footnote in that series.

Yeah I watched two teams that are inferior to the Bulls in every way jump out to 2-1 leads..

That's not the point in why i brought up those series. I referenced them purely based on them being physical series = little to no difference between the late 90s playoffs.

If u are constantly getting bumped and grabbed thats gonna affect u no matter how u play especially if u arent used to it.

You're speaking as if that shyt doesn't go on into today's league.

What are you even arguing here? We saw the physical play affect them against limited teams. You tried to use it as an excuse before but now we gonna act like even more physical play isnt gonna hurt them against a great squad.

i) The Bulls wouldn't be able to get away with MORE physical play
ii) The difference between the contact allowed in the 97 playoffs and 15 playoffs is a very slim margin ('15 Finals being just as physical, if not more)
iii) The Cavs still played physical defense, pushing and grabbing in the latter half of that series - you know what the difference was? The Warriors role players actually took and made their open shots. All that physical play didn't stop the Warriors from blowin them out.

 

[tone wone]

The fact that post knee injury Ron "peg-leg" Harper was an actual starting PG shows you how lame the late 90s were.

It would be like watching Vince run point these last few years.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

at the late 90s being some type of apocalyptic warzone that would greatly affect the Warriors offense.

 

[Jplaya2023]

The best players on the Spurs this year are 24 and 30

#21 is the heart and soul of the team. Without him theres no go spurs go

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

I hope the Spurs come save us from this Warriors hype

I rooted for the Warriors all throughout the playoffs last year. but now people are talking like they can beat a GOAT 72-10 team led by the GOAT?

It's out of control now


Those mighty Spurs......CAN'T FUKKING WAIT!

 

[Jplaya2023]

The fact that post knee injury Ron "peg-leg" Harper was an actual starting PG shows you how lame the late 90s were.

It would be like watching Vince run point these last few years.

Lol ron harper is better than any pg the warriors faced in the playoffs for the majority of the series except 1 eye conley

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Lol ron harper is better than any pg the warriors faced in the playoffs for the majority of the series except 1 eye conley

Yet he wouldn't even be a top 10 PG in the league right now.

 

[Juven]

warriors team struggled to beat the cavs with their 2 stars out

i like the warriors but the 2010 mavs would crush them

 

[Jplaya2023]

Yet he wouldn't even be a top 10 PG in the league right now.

Of course not. I agree