Roger Troutman is really and truly an underrated Legend

[I love Latina women]

Look it’s good that it’s your sentiment. But Roger is a known legend. The Curtis etc comparisons are a little off though. He should be compared to George, James etc, that’s the wrong line to be drawing comparisons as far as I’m concerned.

The funk lane he’s straight.

I mean Mark Ronson done paid homage the last few years production wise.

We acting like ‘more bounce’ isn’t a staple?

Nonetheless it’s a good discussion I suppose.

Curtis comparison ain't too off because like Curtis, Roger could write, produce and arrange his own music and others.

Roger could actually sing and had a better singing voice than George. Roger was also a bit hands on in the studio when it came to playing the music, unlike George
Same with James Brown

Roger had the stage presence like James and George but he also knew his way around the studio like Sly and Curtis

He was the real deal from the studio to the stage

Yes, More Bounce is a staple, but that don't mean he ain't still underrated in many aspects.

 

[blankstairz]

Curtis comparison ain't too off because like Curtis, Roger could write, produce and arrange his own music and others.

Roger could actually sing and had a better singing voice than George. Roger was also a bit hands on in the studio when it came to playing the music, unlike George
Same with James Brown

Roger had the stage presence like James and George but he also knew his way around the studio like Sly and Curtis

He was the real deal from the studio to the stage

Yes, More Bounce is a staple, but that don't mean he ain't still underrated in many aspects.

Roger was a different kind of artist.

Roger wasn't the songwriter that Curtis, Sly or George were. That is the biggest difference.

George is slept on as a songwriter, singer, and band leader and producer. He has become the crazy/cool uncle in his older years, but in his prime....he wrote all those lyrics for p-funk and rubber band songs. Not to mention all that spoken word stuff he would do on the records, and album and artist concepts. He produced a lot of that music too. He wasn't a musician, but a producer in the traditional sense, like what Quincy did for MJ. Only, George had a bigger cast of a musicians and personalities to lead.

Lyrically, Curtis, George, and Sly wrote on a level that Roger did not in terms of depth and quality.

You can make the comparison from a production/sound standpoint. Roger's sense of rhythm and syncopation was impeccable. The use of rhythm guitars and precision in composition reminds one of those JB records in terms of how tight the funk was. Sly and George and them had more of a loose type of funk. Roger had a sense of urgency and precision when it came to the funk.

 

[get these nets]

His genius is up there with Sly Stone and Curtis Mayfield
His influence on music is up there with the best of the best.

uh, no

 

[I love Latina women]

Roger was a different kind of artist.

Roger wasn't the songwriter that Curtis, Sly or George were. That is the biggest difference.

George is slept on as a songwriter, singer, and band leader and producer. He has become the crazy/cool uncle in his older years, but in his prime....he wrote all those lyrics for p-funk and rubber band songs. Not to mention all that spoken word stuff he would do on the records, and album and artist concepts. He produced a lot of that music too. He wasn't a musician, but a producer in the traditional sense, like what Quincy did for MJ. Only, George had a bigger cast of a musicians and personalities to lead.

Lyrically, Curtis, George, and Sly wrote on a level that Roger did not in terms of depth and quality.

You can make the comparison from a production/sound standpoint. Roger's sense of rhythm and syncopation was impeccable. The use of rhythm guitars and precision in composition reminds one of those JB records in terms of how tight the funk was. Sly and George and them had more of a loose type of funk. Roger had a sense of urgency and precision when it came to the funk.

Roger could hold his own when it came to writing songs. He was pretty damn talented in department. People under estimate Roger's writing AND singing.

Vocally, George wasn't a great singer. Ok at best, but shyt, when it comes to being an underrated singer, Sly Stone as a singer > George

Sly doesn't get enough credit for his vocals..

Back to Roger's voice and singing. Roger could sing and while the talkbox became Roger's signature sound, Roger could actually sing and good

Roger was also one helluva of a musician. Bruh was nice on the guitar and not a lot of people even know that. Dude played the harmonica too.

George is recognized as a writer and and his eye and ears for knowing what sounds good as a producer.

George was cool with the free-style of poetry writing, but he won't a better writing than Sly, Curtis, Smokey or Roger.

George's hero is Sly Stone. That's why George even looked out and added some of Sly's former bandmates to his band. George praises Sly's writing.

George gets his props when it comes to being the bandleader, mastermind and brains behind Parliament Funakdelic.

George's greatest strength is being a great producer and bandleader

 

[I love Latina women]

uh, no

My opinion

 

[Flav]

Roger? Zapp?

Underrated?

I never i my life heard anybody say they don’t like their music.

 

[I love Latina women]

Roger? Zapp?

Underrated?

I never i my life heard anybody say they don’t like their music.

Word

But I also ain't never heard him mentioned right alongside Curtis or Sly either

I know, Roger's peak was in the 80's as oppose to Sly and Curtis' peak in the 70's, but sitll, genius is genius.

 

[Dynamite James]

 

[smokeurobinson]

Roger? Zapp?

Underrated?

I never i my life heard anybody say they don’t like their music.

Only in the bait thread era.


Uptown Funk is #5 in the most viewed Youtube videos of all time and this fool says Zapp/Roger is underrated.

 

[get these nets]

My opinion

oh absolutely. I think the artists and bands influenced by Sly and CM are more obvious. People sample Zapp but I don't see the influence on artists who came after him.

 

[I love Latina women]

oh absolutely. I think the artists and bands influenced by Sly and CM are more obvious. People sample Zapp but I don't see the influence on artists who came after him.

Look at all these artists who use autotune today and think that shyt sounds good.

Roger was using the talkbox and it sounded amazing and the shyt was innovative.

The talkbox played a huge influence on artists like DeVante of Jodeci and DJ Quik.

Then by the mid 2000's you had T Pain coming through with the auto tune trying to recapture that shyt but it wasn't anything at all like DeVante or Quik was doing, let alone Roger Troutman with the talkbox.

Now, I know most of these new artists of today probably don't even know who Roger was, cause they came up on T-Pain and other shyt, but still, it all goes back and shyt goes in cycles but comes back with a twist or spin to it.

 

[smokeurobinson]

oh absolutely. I think the artists and bands influenced by Sly and CM are more obvious. People sample Zapp but I don't see the influence on artists who came after him.

So that whole Autotune era we are still in never existed huh?

 

[blankstairz]

Roger could hold his own when it came to writing songs. He was pretty damn talented in department. People over estimate Roger's writing AND singing.

Vocally, George wasn't a great singer. Ok at best, but shyt, when it comes to being an underrated singer, Sly Stone as a singer > George

Sly doesn't get enough credit for his vocals..

Back to Roger's voice and singing. Roger could sing and while the talkbox became Roger's signature sound, Roger could actually sing and good

Roger was also one helluva of a musician. Bruh was nice on the guitar and not a lot of people even know that. Dude played the harmonica too.

George is recognized as a writer and and his eye and ears for knowing what sounds good as a producer.

George was cool with the free-style of poetry writing, but he won't a better writing than Sly, Curtis, Smokey or Roger.

George's hero is Sly Stone. That's why George even looked out and added some of Sly's former bandmates to his band. George praises Sly's writing.

George gets his props when it comes to being the bandleader, mastermind and brains behind Parliament Funakdelic.

George's greatest strength is being a great producer and bandleader

Sly, Curtis, and Smokey are 3 of the greatest of all time.

George really honed his writing chops in the 60s when the Parliaments were at Motown. He learned to focus and craft catchy phrases and hooks from watching Smokey and them at Motown. George could sing. All your goodies are gone.

Lyrically, he got the edge over Roger.

Roger kinda had his own lane, and worked well with it. But the other guys, like Sly, Curtis, and George made music on a bigger scale.

It is all good breh. They all provided good music.

 

[get these nets]

Look at all these artists who use autotune today and think that shyt sounds good.

Roger was using the talkbox and it sounded amazing and the shyt was innovative.

The talkbox played a huge influence on artists like DeVante of Jodeci and DJ Quik.

Then by the mid 2000's you had T Pain coming through with the auto tune trying to recapture that shyt but it wasn't anything at all like DeVante or Quik was doing, let alone Roger Troutman with the talkbox.

Now, I know most of these new artists of today probably don't even know who Roger was, cause they came up on T-Pain and other shyt, but still, it all goes back and shyt goes in cycles but comes back with a twist or spin to it.

Stevie Wonder was the one that was using that technology first, from what I know. Roger/Zapp and Frampton popularized that effect.......so I will concede that Roger's influence is there.

 

[I love Latina women]

Sly, Curtis, and Smokey are 3 of the greatest of all time.

George really honed his writing chops in the 60s when the Parliaments were at Motown. He learned to focus and craft catchy phrases and hooks from watching Smokey and them at Motown. George could sing. All your goodies are gone.

Lyrically, he got the edge over Roger.

Roger kinda had his own lane, and worked well with it. But the other guys, like Sly, Curtis, and George made music on a bigger scale.

It is all good breh. They all provided good music.

Sly, Smokey, Curtis are indeed 3 of the greatest writers of all time. I agree 100%. 4th place I'd say Bob Dylan

Bob ain't much of a singer at all but he's a top notch writer.


George was cool as a writer but he had a lot of great writers around him as well too. George is in the same vein as a Quincy IMO

George's best attribute is being a producer and knowing what worked and what didn't and overseeing the whole vision of a song/project/album.

Indeed

Roger definitely had his own lane and lot that came from him being the one with the Funk in the 80's, alongside Rick James (Early 80's) and Cameo

Cameo was so damn funky; those guys played a huge role in keeping the Funk moving in the 80's as well. Miles Davis loved him some Cameo

Oh yeah, yeah, Motown was a huge influence back in the 60's for George as well. Yup.