Roe and Casey to be overturned by SCOTUS; Draft opinion by Alito leaks to POLITICO

[mastermind]

This would just lead to another loss those white working class voters aren't voting Dem no matter how hard politicians dikkride them

Dems already have a bigger base, they'd be better served by motivating them to vote rather than trying to bend over backwards to appease people that'll never support them.

And that ignoring working class people has worked?. And let’s be clear, the Democrats have spent the past 40 years ignoring working class voters of all races, which Is why they either sit out or vote GOP.

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

Yep. Gay marriage is definitely next up.

And I honestly think if they could get away with throwing interracial marriage and civil rights back to the "state's rights" then they'd do that too.

LGBT rights, definitely. IR marriage, maybe. Sex and race Civil Rights are federal law. I don't see the angle that conservatives could attack the CRA from.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

That was Bernie's strategy. To be a class reductionist...Don't seem to remember him carrying the working class in his runs for President.

Remember that he's the one who also said "abortion" was a distraction from the real issues (material).

I mean, Bernie over performed in many ways. He was super unappealing on so many of the surface level things that people care about, and still got way more traction in spite of it than anybody imagined he would.

I'm not saying Bernie himself is the answer, but I'm not super mad at his overall strategy. I think someone with similar vision and principles that's better on a few points of messaging, etc, could still perform very well.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

LGBT rights, definitely. IR marriage, maybe. Sex and race Civil Rights are federal law. I don't see the angle that conservatives could attack the CRA from.

The fact we have to even say maybe on IR marriage is fukking insane.

Yeah, I don't expect them to actually go after the CRA in reality, but I'm just saying I'm super confident that they'd take a crack at it if there was a legal means and if for half a second they thought they could get away with it. I certainly don't believe they're against the Civil Rights Act in principle.

 

[jj23]

Have we decided who is responsible for this yet?

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

This is something I probably would've said in 2008. Maybe I've gotten cynical since then but I just don't see this type of stuff moving the needle for many people that aren't already for it. Lots of people who benefited from Obamacare still voted against it, because they watch clips on FOX News of black people also benefiting and they don't like that.




Don't get me wrong I'm for all that stuff, it just seems like culture war shyt is always going to be a priority in most people's minds. Maybe I just have a low opinion of American voters.

Republican voters see removing rights for people they hate as an improvement on their lives. The rationale is there - improve people's lives and they will support you. But you were right in your initial assessment. What we consider an improvement (higher wages, universal healthcare, childcare, student debt cancellation, etc) actually does have some overlap with red voters. But it pales in value to suppressing black and brown people and seeing them suffer. I don't see how anyone hoping to be a successful politician on the left can afford to not fully comprehend what drives the MAGA mindstate.

 

[acri1]

And that ignoring working class people has worked. And let’s be clear, the Democrats have spent the past 40 years ignoring working class voters of all races, which Is why they either sit out or vote GOP.

I'm assuming by "working class" you mean "working class white voters". Because otherwise, working class voters are not voting for the GOP like that, and it's not a coincidence.

Let's not jump through hoops and ignore the elephant in the room as far as who the GOP appeals to and why. Also, let's stop acting like Republican (or Trump) voters are any poorer than Dem voters, that's a myth.


The Mythology Of Trump’s ‘Working Class’ Support

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

Have we decided who is responsible for this yet?

Whoever had the least amount of power in preventing it is how it usually goes.

 

[Consigliere]

Have we decided who is responsible for this yet?

I saw a tweet thread eithe there or TLR that suggested a Republican staffer did this in order to lock it in.

Cuz unlike Dems the R’s have no shame and now they can’t possibly backtrack or water it down.

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

I saw a tweet thread eithe there or TLR that suggested a Republican staffer did this in order to lock it in.

Cuz unlike Dems the R’s have no shame and now they can’t possibly backtrack or water it down.

That would be funny given the Republicans are the ones outraged about the leak.

 

[the cac mamba]

yea, this isnt a win for republicans. they dont want to defend this on the debate stage

dems should be asking republicans if rape victims should be forced to have their rapists baby

 

[mastermind]

I'm assuming by "working class" you mean "working class white voters"

No, I meant all.
Black working-class, white working class, Asian working-class and Latino working-class citizens tend not to vote because their work won't afford them the time or they have seen no benefits from it.

https://www.poorpeoplescampaign.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/PPC-Voter-Research-Brief-18.pdf

That's what I meant.

The media and political elites have done a great job of not caring about the working classes of non-white people.

I am not going to pretend that all white working class voters are attainable, but pretending that they are all icky and should die with their hates has not gotten anyone anywhere good. That is what one political party does.

 

[ill_will82]

Maybe Dems will finally try to expand the Supreme Court.

This needs be Biden's next move if not his first power move while in office. I think in one way or another Republicans will pay for the SC abortion ban (in states where it's applied) at the voting booth in the midterms or 2024 elections.

Republicans have been trying to attack women reproduction rights for decades. They want to play chicken with their careers let them have at it.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

 

[Outlaw]

Did you vote for Hillary in 2016?