Rodrigo Duterte Ordered Philippine Killings, Professed Hit Man Testifies

[CHL]

Malaysia has extremely strict drug laws, but they're not legitimizing vigilantism. There's still due process in Malaysia. In the Philippines, thanks to Duterte and his declared state of lawlessness, that doesn't exist. Surely, you can at lest admit that vigilante justice is dangerous and easily abused.

Nice to see the Clinton campaign demonstrating some knowledge of laws in other States

 

[Professor Emeritus]

IT'S NOT OUR fukkIN BIZ. If the Flips like him then good for them. If they want to replace him then he will be replaced. IT'S NOT OUR fukkIN BIZ.

Ah, so your moral feelings end where imaginary lines are drawn. Good to know. Go death camps, as long as it ain't our land.

Only one. But, okay, it seems you're not interested in honest discussion. I don't know why I wasted my time with you.

Whoever you're talking to, I have them blocked. I only blocked three people on this forum, and for all three it was due to their unwillingness to participate in honest discussion. So whichever one of the three this is, yes, he's a liar and a bullshytter and you will not get anywhere with him.

When you don't have the resources to enforce laws you just kill the bad guys until their numbers are low enough to manage in a more peaceful manner.

Because the ones doing and ordering the killing are typically as easily pigeonholed as "bad guys" as the ones being killed?

Because vigilante killings are done without any oversight or trial and thus are always, always going to result in abuse?

Because killing crooks and the general impression that police are above the law and not subject to restraint results in MORE crime more often than not.

 

[Mowgli]

Ah, so your moral feelings end where imaginary lines are drawn. Good to know. Go death camps, as long as it ain't our land.






Whoever you're talking to, I have them blocked. I only blocked three people on this forum, and for all three it was due to their unwillingness to participate in honest discussion. So whichever one of the three this is, yes, he's a liar and a bullshytter and you will not get anywhere with him.





Because the ones doing and ordering the killing are typically as easily pigeonholed as "bad guys" as the ones being killed?

Because vigilante killings are done without any oversight or trial and thus are always, always going to result in abuse?

Because killing crooks and the general impression that police are above the law and not subject to restraint results in MORE crime more often than not.

There's is no other way. The ideals in your mind come from living in a 1st world country that used slavery, crime and corruption to achieve the culture of law you expect 3rd world countries to model themselves after without a percent of the resources.

Give the Phillipines 10 trillion dollars, I doubt they will have the need for vigilante killings.

The status quo has obviously gotten so bad they need to execute a small number of corrupt people because they don't have the resources to catch criminals by the books that you have gotten used to living under white supremacist cacs. Sadly in the process, innocent may die.

Welcome to the real world.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

There's is no other way. The ideals in your mind come from living in a 1st world country that used slavery, crime and corruption to achieve the culture of law you expect 3rd world countries to model themselves after without a percent of the resources.

Give the Phillipines 10 trillion dollars, I doubt they will have the need for vigilante killings.

The status quo has obviously gotten so bad they need to execute a small number of corrupt people because they don't have the resources to catch criminals by the books that you have gotten used to living under white supremacist cacs. Sadly in the process, innocent may die.

Welcome to the real world.

That's just a bunch of bullshyt - you insist on your position from the beginning and then just repeat it. I Have lived in a por country before, so I have an idea what's possible. Rampant crime rates and a loss of the rule of law aren't automatic for poor countries, and there is NO evidence that murking dudes on the street reduces crime in any of them.

Look at Duerte himself - he was mayor in Davao for 22 years, marked FAR more dudes than anyone else, and Davao never even managed to get its violent crime below the National average... And that's with dudes getting removed from the street left and right AND the supposed deterrent factor.

 

[Mowgli]

That's just a bunch of bullshyt - you insist on your position from the beginning and then just repeat it. I Have lived in a por country before, so I have an idea what's possible. Rampant crime rates and a loss of the rule of law aren't automatic for poor countries, and there is NO evidence that murking dudes on the street reduces crime in any of them.

Look at Duerte himself - he was mayor in Davao for 22 years, marked FAR more dudes than anyone else, and Davao never even managed to get its violent crime below the National average... And that's with dudes getting removed from the street left and right AND the supposed deterrent factor.

What poor country did you live in and I'll point out a genocide that got them on track or toppled their stability.

The US is a great example.

They had enemies they killed them

The Chinese had rampant drug addicts and a factions of thought. One side killed the other and git then on track.

Every prosperous nation in South America slaughtered millions for stability.

I'm going to chalk up your naive thinking to youth and a lack of interest in history books or Wikipedia

 

[getmoney310cpt]

To help you all see this logically...

Imagine this happening here, no trial and if you're a suspect a kill squad comes after you...then when you think about the drug stats here..who would those kill squads be hunting and killing in the street...

Think it's bad now imagine that

 

[thekingsmen]

To help you all see this logically...

Imagine this happening here, no trial and if you're a suspect a kill squad comes after you...then when you think about the drug stats here..who would those kill squads be hunting and killing in the street...

Think it's bad now imagine that

Have you been paying attention to the drug epidemic we have here. Police have killed thousands upon thousands over the "War on Drugs" era. Hell the gangs run the streets with impunity because they are helping with the drug distribution.

 

[Mowgli]

To help you all see this logically...

Imagine this happening here, no trial and if you're a suspect a kill squad comes after you...then when you think about the drug stats here..who would those kill squads be hunting and killing in the street...

Think it's bad now imagine that

Logically think about this.

Whats going to happen if the governent and states go bankrupt and cant afford to pay police and or a large portion of the military to protect every city and town in America..

You cant compare the standards of a nation with a 25 trillion USD budget to the Phillipines.

 

[88m3]

Duterte's son allegedly linked to $125 million crystal meth bust

 

[AndroidHero]

Reading through this thread thekingsmen is the woat poster, the definitely deserves hall of shame banner.

 

[MMS]

What poor country did you live in and I'll point out a genocide that got them on track or toppled their stability.

The US is a great example.

They had enemies they killed them

The Chinese had rampant drug addicts and a factions of thought. One side killed the other and git then on track.

Every prosperous nation in South America slaughtered millions for stability.

I'm going to chalk up your naive thinking to youth and a lack of interest in history books or Wikipedia

 

[Professor Emeritus]

What poor country did you live in and I'll point out a genocide that got them on track or toppled their stability.

The US is a great example.

They had enemies they killed them

The Chinese had rampant drug addicts and a factions of thought. One side killed the other and git then on track.

Every prosperous nation in South America slaughtered millions for stability.

I'm going to chalk up your naive thinking to youth and a lack of interest in history books or Wikipedia

You're just playing a dumbshyt confirmation bias game. EVERY region has violence in its history, so you can pull an example out of your ass anywhere.

America committed genocide against the California Indians, America is now stable. Both facts are true, but you'd have to be an idiot to conflate them.

Rwanda became, "stable" after the Rwandan genocide, therefore the Rwandan genocide stabilized Rwanda?

We could play this stupid game all day - for every act of mass violence that you claim "stabilized" a country, I'll give you half-a-dozen others that were just fukked up.


I been to the Philippines since this shyt got posted, I got multiple people there who have had friends murked since this shyt started. You don't have to have shyt to do with the drug industry to get caught, you just have to be someone that got police attention for any reason whatsoever. There ain't no enforcement of standards, no oversight, it's just a lot of killings based on grudges and bloodlust and classism and community hate.

In the USA we have the rule of law with all sorts of supposed oversight and stuff, and we STILL have over 1000 people a year killed by the cops, hundreds of them in circumstances that are suspicious as fukk.

Back-of-the-envelope math shows that the Filipino cops are killing at a rate TWENTY TIMES higher than the USA right now. You think that's a "stabilizing" force?

Twenty-five criminals were killed, including 14 in anti-drug operations, overnight in the Philippine capital Manila in a second night of heavy bloodshed this week as President Duterte's fierce war on drugs intensified.

Thursday's killings across Manila followed 32 deaths in near-simultaneous police operations on Monday night through to Tuesday in Bulacan province, marking the deadliest period of Duterte's controversial crackdown that has killed thousands of Filipinos.

Joel Napoleon Coronel, director of Manila Police District, told reporters the 14 were killed in sting operations and 11 other deaths were robbers who were also involved in narcotics.

The identities of the killers of the 11 people were not known and the incidents were under investigation, police reports said.

On Wednesday, President Duterte praised the operations, adding that he will order the shooting of human rights advocates.

"Let's kill another 32 every day, maybe we can reduce what ails this country," local media quoted Duterte as saying in a speech during the 19th-anniversary commemoration of the Volunteers Against Crime and Corruption at the presidential office.

How the hell the cops just happen to kill 11 "robbers who were also involved in narcotics" on the same night as 14 killed in sting operations? How do you find 14 robbers who fit that description on the same night....why not every night?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Human Rights Watch notes that most killed in drug war are poor people, users not dealers. Duterte replies too bad, we "need people killed...that's just how it is."

Drug war only targeting the poor? That’s how it is, says Duterte



Duterte threatens to start killing the lawyers who defend people in drug cases. Because nothing says, "rule of law" like "killing people for being lawyers."

Duterte warns drug lords’ lawyers



Duterte threatens to kill human rights activists who oppose him and investigate groups that challenge him.

Duterte warns he'll order shooting of human rights advocates



Duterte threatens to kill journalists. Six months later, a journalist who exposed corruption in a government meth lab is shot dead.

“Just because you’re a journalist you are not exempted from assassination, if you’re a son of a bytch,” Duterte said when asked how he would address the problem of media killings in the Philippines after a reporter was shot dead in Manila last week.

“Most of those killed, to be frank, have done something. You won’t be killed if you don’t do anything wrong,” Duterte said, adding that many journalists in the Philippines were corrupt.

“That can’t be just freedom of speech. The constitution can no longer help you if you disrespect a person,” he said.

Duterte endorses killing corrupt journalists


Yes, @Mowgli, cape for the guy who joyfully calls for killing poor people, lawyers, journalists, and human rights advocates.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Duterte raised the case of Jun Pala, a journalist and politician who was murdered in Davao in 2003. Gunmen on a motorcycle shot dead Pala, who was a vocal critic of Duterte. His murder has never been solved.

“If you are an upright journalist, nothing will happen to you,” said Duterte, who has ruled Davao as mayor for most of the past two decades and is accused of links to vigilante death squads.

“The example here is Pala. I do not want to diminish his memory but he was a rotten son of a bytch. He deserved it.”

Duterte endorses killing corrupt journalists

 

[Menelik II]

i thought this was common knowledge

every politician over there has bodies, and he has way more than the average. but they voted for dude