Rock From Heltah Skeltah Talks Decepticons Gang And Boot Camp Beginnings

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Wasnt P a muslim or god body and maybe thats why?

Muslim!!

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Aint no wrong...U are quoting me correcting someone......And 5% wasnt a gang......5 % was the 60's Father Allah aka Clearence 13 X did his thing in the 60s when Malcolm was still alive. 5% wasn't even a gang but they were considered a gang by outsiders and police in the 90's, thats why I mentioned them...Even till this day I dont consider them a gang, I'm speaking on the factions of what would be considered a "gang" in the 90's......Nobody was calling the 5% a gang in the 80's except the police......The police was also calling the Black Panthers/New Black panthers a gang.....we didnt call them that.....5% wasnt a gang'.....NYC was more into crews in the 90's before the Bloods popped up in the late 90's

Never said the 5 was a gang at all, don't know why you're even telling me this. I just had to state that the nation was stronger in the 80's not the 90's like YOU stated. That's why I said you were wrong. How do I know? Because I was THERE for all of it. Not heresay. Were you? And I'm not talking 90's hip hop songs either.

 

[Ron Fox]

Never said the 5 was a gang at all, don't know why you're even telling me this. I just had to state that the nation was stronger in the 80's not the 90's like YOU stated. That's why I said you were wrong. How do I know? Because I was THERE for all of it. Not heresay. Were you?

LOL.....I just finished telling u that I'm speaking on gangs. U talking about the nation in the 80's has nothing to do with what i'm talking about......I'm speaking on what were considered gangs in 90's NYC. Thats why I brought up The Latin Kings. This is all in response to the person who asked me a question.... U going left when u dont have to. i'm explaining how in the 90's the 5% was considered a gang even tho they weren't. In the early 90's with Decepts trickling NYC didnt have gangs like that unless it was drug turf and only police refered to it as such. 5% was the closest thing to a Black gang in the early 90's even tho they werent a gang....Thats all i'm saying,



Cool.....U went to the School on 127th in the 80's...I went in the 90's. Lets just leave it there.

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

LOL.....I just finished telling u that I'm speaking on gangs. U talking about the nation in the 80's and i'm explaining how in the 90's the 5% was considered a gang even tho they weren't.

Cool.....U went to the School on 127th in the 80's...I went in the 90's. Lets just leave it there.

Bro, that's NOT what you said to the other poster where I quoted you. You distinctly correlated the height of Nation and the 90's, and I just pointed out that you were wrong. That's it. You can't take correction? Maybe it was bigger for YOU in the 90's. If you're going to enlighten, just get it right. Don't get upset with me breh

 

[Ron Fox]

Bro, that's NOT what you said to the other poster where I quoted you. You distinctly correlated the Nation and the 90's, and I just pointed out that you were wrong. That's it. You can't take correction? Maybe it was bigger for YOU in the 90's. If you're going to enlighten, just get it right. Don't get upset with me breh

So if u gonna ignore me explaining that only police referd to 5% as a gang in the 90s and if u ignore where I said Father Allah started it in the 60's and if u only focus on what I said about the 5% in the 90's then u are basically saying that they really are a gang. Even tho I already explained that they were considered a gang police and werent one. Even after I explained that the 5% werent a gang but were the closest thing to what would be considered a gang. Even after I explained that nyc wasnt on no gang shyt in the early 90's aside from the Latin Kings. U are basically saying they are a gang even tho I keep saying they arent.


Like I said....u went left for no reason at all.

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

So if u gonna ignore me explaining that only police referd to 5% as a gang in the 90s and if u ignore where I said Father Allah started it in the 60's and if u only focus on what I said about the 5% in the 90's then u are basically saying that they really are a gang. Even tho I already explained that they were considered a gang police and werent one. Even after I explained that the 5% werent a gang but were the closest thing to what would be considered a gang. Even after I explained that nyc wasnt on no gang shyt in the early 90's aside from the Latin Kings. U are basically saying they are a gang even tho I keep saying they arent.


Like I said....u went left for no reason at all.

Look at the FIRST post I quoted of yours. That is ALL I spoke about, nothing else. Why can't you see that? Read my first post to you and read what I spoke on....the DAMN 90's and the height of the Nation, you were WRONG it was the 80's. Also, read your last line to me in THIS POST and point out where I even alluded to US being a GANG you dumbass. I was IN the nation you fool! Where did I use the word GANG anywhere before YOUR first post to me? Are you dumb? "Basically saying they are a gang"?? It's dudes like you who front like they know what they're talking about up here, I was there you idiot. Again, WERE YOU?

 

[Ron Fox]

Look at the FIRST post I quoted of yours. That is ALL I spoke about, nothing else. Why can't you see that? Read my first post to you and read what I spoke on....the DAMN 90's and the height of the Nation, you were WRONG it was the 80's. Also, read your last line to me in THIS POST and point out where I even alluded to US being a GANG you dumbass. I was IN the nation you fool! Where did I use the word GANG anywhere before YOUR first post to me? Are you dumb? "Basically saying they are a gang"?? It's dudes like you who front like they know what they're talking about up here, I was there you idiot. Again, WERE YOU?

Let me show u why u went left for no reason.


Decepts and Lo Lifes was the 80's....90's was 5% and Latin Kings before the Bloods would appear. That 5% influence was serious for the better part of the early mid90's.


I later explain that 5% weren't a gang but the closest thing considered to be a gang in the 90's thats why i mentioned them..U yourself are admitting they aren't a gang. U keep missing the part where I keep saying that the 5% in the 90's were considered a gang/closest thing to what was called a gang.


Do u understand now? And peep how not once did I hurl a childish insult at u...The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said to display intellegence at all times and not to have petty arguments with your brother...I'm trying to build over here....u hurling insults....We aint on that a-alike right now but i'm trying to get u there.,

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Let me show u why u went left for no reason.


Decepts and Lo Lifes was the 80's....90's was 5% and Latin Kings before the Bloods would appear. That 5% influence was serious for the better part of the early mid90's.


I later explain that 5% weren't a gang but the closest thing considered to be a gang in the 90's thats why i mentioned them..U yourself are admitting they aren't a gang. U keep missing the part where I keep saying that the 5% in the 90's were considered a gang/closest thing to what was called a gang.


Do u understand now? And peep how not once did I hurl a childish insult at u...The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said to display intellegence at all times and not to have petty arguments with your brother...I'm trying to build over here....u hurling insults....We aint on that a-alike right now but i'm trying to get u there.,

Sorry for the insults. You're wrong about all of that other stuff and you aren't building without seeking UNDERSTANDING. You're trying to get me to co-sign to something I didn't say or allude to, so in essence you aren't trying to get me "there", you were corrected by me concerning the 90's and that's all. Instead of replying with facts, you spoke about gangs and what I'm "basically" saying. I came from the era of "show and prove" and all I've been doing is showing and proving the derailment of this thread, but you keep harping on the same thing about gangs...which I NEVER spoke about. I'm done with this. Peace!

 

[Ron Fox]

Sorry for the insults. You're wrong about all of that other stuff and you aren't building without seeking UNDERSTANDING. You're trying to get me to co-sign to something I didn't say or allude to, so in essence you aren't trying to get me "there", you were corrected by me concerning the 90's and that's all. Instead of replying with facts, you spoke about gangs and what I'm "basically" saying. I came from the era of "show and prove" and all I've been doing is showing and proving the derailment of this thread, but you keep harping on the same thing about gangs...which I NEVER spoke about. I'm done with this. Peace!

Naa homie...I dont want u to co sign anything. Like I keep saying u went left for no reason at all.....I explained everyting in full detail and when I mentioned Father Allah starting the Nation in the 60s u ignored all that to talk about the 80's. When I mentioned how the 5% was considered a gang in the 90's but wasnt a gang..u ignored all that. I'm done with this as well..peace.

 

[Real N Quotes]

I attended Tech when they were in full swing , no pun.These dudes literally went from carrying T Sqares in their backpacks to hammers terrorizing the city. We were considered nerds as Black kids going to an engineering high school that was almost half Asian. Homies got tired of getting of bullied by other local high schools and Fort Green goons for their sneakers and coats. I had few friends who were Decepts who were actually honor student from their JHS. Shyt just got out of hand once the home base moved to Art & Design aka Printing aka Cybertron. Eventually they were everywhere in BK , '86-90' was no joke

 

[Guvnor]

Wasnt P a muslim or god body and maybe thats why?

P was a muslim but I think orthodox one. I know Buck said he had to come over and wash P's body the muslim way when he died. His wife bernadette also spoke on P drink champs about P going to Nores BBQ and eating swine when he shouldnt have been.

Nu jerz is extended fam off BCC. peep game.

Nu Jerz? What you mean?

 

[Guvnor]

I attended Tech when they were in full swing , no pun.These dudes literally went from carrying T Sqares in their backpacks to hammers terrorizing the city. We were considered nerds as Black kids going to an engineering high school that was almost half Asian. Homies got tired of getting of bullied by other local high schools and Fort Green goons for their sneakers and coats. I had few friends who were Decepts who were actually honor student from their JHS. Shyt just got out of hand once the home base moved to Art & Design aka Printing aka Cybertron. Eventually they were everywhere in BK , '86-90' was no joke

Dang breh, how the hell you get in that school? The test was so hard that I saw math on there I thought was fake, like the type of math they show on a tv show that is written on a chalk board and looks crazy. I really wanted to go either to tech or Murrow or Madison but eneded up going to Wingate aka Cripgate lol.

School didnt prepare me for college but thats a whole other story. A nikka about to get his degree after this semester.

 

[Guvnor]

Wrong

The 5% Nation was before the 90's. it was its strongest in the 80's in NYC. I knew dudes who had knowledge of self before Transformers even came out, god rallies were being held everywhere in BK, and you'd see ciphers of older dudes building. Also, the Latin Kings were strong in the 80's too, I used to live in Bushwick at one point so trust me I know, it was the Netas that got strong in the 90's.

Anyway, I knew Jamal aka Rock since he was a kid. We used to call him KRS because he had a big nose like him and he didn't rap. He used to be quiet until Brownsville changes him, Sethlow projects. He used to go to Lafayette HS too.

Lol which neighborhood was he from? I thought he was from brownsvile and him and P knew eachother from since they were little?

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Lol which neighborhood was he from? I thought he was from brownsvile and him and P knew eachother from since they were little?

He was from Brownsville. He wasn't always bad like THAT. He changed a lot in the High School years.

 

[Urbanmiracle]

I think the boosting crews were Lo Life's and another crew from crown heights that had polo in they name I forgot

Decepts wouldve been the only crew I would've joined if they was still around instead of the crip and blood shyt going on

There were two crews: Ralphie's kids from Utica Ave and USA aka the United Shoplifters Association. They were robbing and boosting anything with Ralph Lauren on it. They also went after Gucci, Tommy, Versace, Colors of Benneton and other goods. They combined into the Lo Lifes in 89 and stared boosting from Macy's and other department stores. Now, they all grown up, they have their own clothing line called Lo Life and some kicks as well.

As for the Decepticons, as someone said it started at Brooklyn tech when some kid kept harassing I believe founding members Rumble and Megatron. One day they were watching the cartoon and said we gonna be them nikkas. They started the "backpacker" thing but it wasn't books and laptops. It was bats, knives, hammers, whatever they needed to beat you up and rob you.

As far as Sean Price and Rock, Sean Price was the leader of the Triggercon division which is an actually sub group from the Toys that came out in 88. One of the characters was named Ruckus and he had spring loaded shoulder cannons and turned into a truck. That's who Sean Price aka Ruckus aka Ruck got his name from. As you can guess from the name, they were the wild bunch. Sean went to jail for assault I believe and Rock recently beat a prostitution charge and a murder I believe. Don't quote me on that but he recent beat a case around the last Heltah Skeltah album. Brooklyn street lore.