nikka are u dense? P didn’t do what Roc did and does. That’s the difference. Roc made the underground FLY nikka. He MADE it COOL to be an underground rapper. ANY underground street rapper will tell u this. The EMCEES AND PRODUCERS give him this credit. It’s not about who did it first. Roc had a whole different aesthetic than Sean Price. U had cats like ASAP Yams stating his life his like a Roc Marci verse. Roc EXPANDED his aesthetic on Reloaded. But it was very much there on Marcberg and he is credited for breathing life into the underground scene.
You keep harping on mcs and producers using roc now, the face of that movement; no different again from people just saying doom in 2010s as if he was the only ug rapper that existed.
But yet when roc tells you, his success in ug comes from sean price directly, you fight me on it. Idk why. At same time you act like sean P had no bearing yet roc is saying opposite about the album in question.
How does sean P have no influence when hes the biggest part of the fukking album we are discussing. One ROC HIMSELF SAYS WAS
CRICKETS
without sean price looking him out.
You think cuz someoen has a different sound, they are two totally different things with no connection or no movement prior. Jay electronica is obviously sonically inspired by rza/sunz of man/wu killa bees/shabazz etc etc but when asked about his fav rappers and inspiration 9/10x he says jay nas biggie and andre3k + all southern rappers. Even tho he is a southern killah priest clone with direct rza/andre 3k isms.
Does that mean a connection dont exist? Because they arent named? This is why we are having the discussion because ROC is only one named. Because he is the face everyone knows in it. Yet its way deeper than that. Like
@O.Red said. Its a multi tiered discussion that gets lumped into “roc started it. Everyone else is his son”
Roc marciano and sean price are not sonically the same, yet are connected through the ug movement. And they have MANY similarities ie their use of comedy and boombappy beat style. Marcberg came DIRECT from that movement. Yet you wanna give roc all the credit for later updates on a diff album. Roc on reloaded and after aint roc on marcberg. He fibally cracked the code on reloaded and found his niche. Saying marcberg did that is bullshyt. Thats like saying wutang spawned from words from rhe genius. They are products of 2 diff times.
RELOADED is the album the VIDEO is saying marcberg is.
If someone said operation doomsday made the ug blow id say same shyt when it was onviously madvillain. Yet madvillain comes from a LONG LINE of albums. It didnt just come out the blue. Yet i see “doom started short songs, hookless rap, rnb features with no rap etc” these days in online videos and discussion when its obviously DIRECTLY inspired by rza/ghost albums to the T. YET , when discussing madvillain these days guys like talib kweli say “doom started that” like it was fact. Like you are with roc rn. That dont make it true because people parrot it online.
Roc like doom was, is the face of a movement with most sucesss. The biggest showing of those styles. BUT Not the creator of it.
Im giving props to the mcs who dont get it. And that warrants discussion on a hip hop online forum wtf lmao. . Idk why you have a problem with it or fighting over it like these guys added NOTHING. And its allllll ROC. You wanna harp what big names use other big names on interviews. Im talking about the little guys who inspire these albums and get no love for it. No attention. No love. No credit. Like they didnt exist. Like marci created something alone without hip hop influencing him.
His movement is a direct offshoot of the mid 2000s ug back to basics hip hop style +90s gangster imagery spawned by 90s mainstream rappers regulated to ug status in 2000s. Youre ignoring dozens of factors, artists (before and after marcberg), mainstream artists using those sounds att, changes in music biz to give me a blanket statement like “roc marciano created this wave and all follow his lead” when it was a combination of multiple things. Ignoring the fact his sound itself is redundant and been around at same tome. Youre the one who thought it new. Not me. Currensy lad/willie the kid 100% were doing the “fly guy” commercial ughh multi release wave BEFORE marci. This is NOT debatable.
Waves come from…. Other waves. We are breaking it down here. If you cant understand or cant doscuss without being offended by it lmao. Bounce. Everything I said is a fact. He did not start multi vinyl releases, “fly ughh” (or whatever the fukk that means), or the return to basics formula. Period.
He def added flavor and made his own vibe that was super influential….On RELOADED!
NOT On marcberg