Roc Marciano's 'Marcberg' Changed Rap music

[FunkDoc1112]

Underground hiphop was in such a bad way before UN/Roc.

Maladjusted cacs spitting battle raps from 2001 to 2007

School Shooter Rap, as I call it

 

[spliz]

Yea definitely but I think we should lay it all out there since this discussion is rarely had with consideration of scale. It's always "Roc started everything" and left alone

I'm saying on Return of the Mac you can definitely hear where shyt was headed. So when I talk about the pillars you take ROTM, What Spitta was doing with music and aesthetics, and what Roc was developing, but the time you get to 2011/12 shyt is

It's a prime example of great minds thinking alike

Word I also feel like what separated Roc was the way he rapped. nikka was NICE. on some fly shyt. Was a real street nikka. And he had a sense of humor. nikka was like the underground Jay Z or some shyt. lol.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

This is all facts. Wiz was still trying to find himself and his sound before he met Spitta.

Lmao I remember he flipped from a wannabe Dipset nikka to a swag rapper in 07...Curren$y definitely helped him find his lane

 

[spliz]

Lmao I remember he flipped from a wannabe Dipset nikka to a swag rapper in 07...Curren$y definitely helped him find his lane

He was on some Jeezy shyt at one point too with Youngin on His Grind. lol.

 

[Zero]

Subject matter too

They were trapping about protons and neutrons and centrifugal force and pythagorean theorems and shyt

The funniest shyt if you followed that movement (which I unfortunately did ), is that even those cac rappers themselves tried to distance themselves from that bullshyt like we didn't keep the files

7L & Esoteric in the 90s:


Vinnie Paz when he was Ikon the Verbal Hologram:


Apathy when he was the Alien Tongue:


Celph Titled in Equilibrium:


All these dudes tried to diss "nerd rap" once they got on but they were literal nerd rappers before the fame

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Damn, so unless we can find earlier examples, the GOAT RZA was the first with drumless/subdued percussion?

IMO RZA was the first to do it consistently and frequently. And DJ Muggs

A lot of folks in here are getting too specific with the "drumless" word. It's not usually used to mean there is literally no percussion in the track. People just usually say "drumless" when the producer doesn't manually program in drums or punch up existing drums in the sample. A lot of times there are drums in the sample, but they're just quieter, and the producer leaves them as is.

I think most people say drumless to describe an aesthetic or a style more than they do a literal exact beat with zero drum sounds. Now, some drumless beats don't have any percussion in them, but others do.

 

[spliz]

IMO RZA was the first to do it consistently and frequently.

A lot of folks in here are getting too specific with the "drumless" word. It's not usually used to mean there is literally no percussion in the track. People just usually say "drumless" when the producer doesn't manually program in drums or punch up existing drums in the sample. A lot of times there are drums in the sample, but they're just quieter, and the producer leaves them as is.

I think most people say drumless to describe an aesthetic or a style more than they do a literal exact beat with zero drum sounds.

Facts.

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

IMO RZA was the first to do it consistently and frequently.

A lot of folks in here are getting too specific with the "drumless" word. It's not usually used to mean there is literally no percussion in the track. People just usually say "drumless" when the producer doesn't manually program in drums or punch up existing drums in the sample. A lot of times there are drums in the sample, but they're just quieter, and the producer leaves them as is.

I think most people say drumless to describe an aesthetic or a style more than they do a literal exact beat with zero drum sounds. Now, some drumless beats don't have any percussion in them, but others do.

Facts

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

The funniest shyt if you followed that movement (which I unfortunately did ), is that even those cac rappers themselves tried to distance themselves from that bullshyt like we didn't keep the files

7L & Esoteric in the 90s:


Vinnie Paz when he was Ikon the Verbal Hologram:


Apathy when he was the Alien Tongue:


Celph Titled in Equilibrium:


All these dudes tried to diss "nerd rap" once they got on but they were literal nerd rappers before the fame

Some of it was dope, but it gets tiring, especially when it's just a stream of consciousness of random mathematical and scientific terms that don't even make any sense strung together, just MFers trying to sound smart for knowing these terms.

some ole "your vision is veering cuz you fearing my Pythagorean theorem" type shyt

 

[Bugzbunny129]

Ur just being contrarian. Roc ushered in the wave. This is something if Sean Price was alive would say as well. I mean u had cats like MF Doom and shyt before Roc so obviously cats was doing shyt before him. But u have a clear misunderstanding of what he gets props for. When u have legendary producers and rappers on the scene literally all saying the same shyt. Maybe u need to listen.

Bro your one of the thickest people on here. Disagree with you its like you shut down like a rock.

This conversation is about

MARCBERG

Doing what RELOADED actually did


Didbyou watch the video?

Or did you just reply to me instantaneously because you think i “dissed” ya fav rapper

I already said, RELOADED did these things. In the first reply. Youre upset cuz i said jay elect was the first to spotlight it … because he was. And as a NEW artist. Who was SIGNED aka going to be bigger than ug (had he dropped). He obviously did not have to sell 12” to eat. How that dont have any influence here is… weird.


Marcberg is rocs dusty ass album ug album. Maecberg dont even sound like rocs other shyt. Hes a bum on marcberg compared to his “flyer” more character based followups with better mor eopen production.. looks like a bum on cover. Sounds bummy. shyt is a mid 2000s reject UN solo album.

This is why i said it aint MARCBERG

plus now

Were talking about 3 diff things like @O.Red said and that was exactly my point. Ug heads wanna say “roc did this” move on leave it there. They the new doom fans from 2004 ie. Obviously werent listening to ug in 2008-09. I mean people in here bri ging up army of the pharoahs releases from 98 to bring up what ug artists guys were doing 10 years later… ok.


The “fly guy”’ug

Drumess beat aestetic

And how artists change how they release music

Are 3 seperate things. Not one.


My point… is all because he is most well known Does not make him STARTER of said “wave”

Him blowing up solo with limited releases os more a function of SOCIAL MEDIA blowing up to the degree it did than some wide ranging roc got the formula they all copy. Rappers finally were able to rip away from labels and sell vinyls themselves to people instantly. Thats what happens when YOU AINT SIGNED. theyve ALWAYS done this. In a limited function. I can name 10 ug artists labels doing this before roc. And again, KA did the whole self release. Back to basic thing 2 years before roc. He didnt do the “im fly” aspect of it but giving all 3 to roc is wrong. Currensy was doing multi releases before roc and found his footing before him too if im not mistaken.




I SAID, MARCBERG… didnt change shyt

Cuz it didnt

RELOADED did

And idc what these guys say NOW because i was with ug rappers in 2007-10 and we all knew limited vinyls and going back to basics was the way. Only stupid ones didnt who werent pay attention.

You wanna give credit for the 30 guys who act like drug dealers on the ug, do that. That shyts all trash minus roc. They rap on the ug in that mainstream-ish style cuz they cant get on. They have to do it that way. Thats what EVERY ARTIST does whos ug and invests in their career.

But ROC was NOT the first artist to self produce and release records in limited function. The back to basics ug shyt is a function of supreme clientele, dj muggs versus series, doom becoming popular, nyc rappers like sean price, etc. and before roc came out jay elect WAS the first NEWWWWWWW artist doing sound wise. Years before roc came out. He has 2/3 of the thibgs were talking about. But he got signed. So limited vinyl is out…

He was not the first artist to do purest shyt. Hes not the first artist to “be fly” in ug. Yall too old to be even talk about that shyt like a kid. Hes not the first artist to even use his production aestetic.

Is he the first to put it all together and suceed at a high level to then be made face of ug… yes.

BUT I ALREADY SAID THAT. About RELOADED

And i reiterate.

NOT MARCBERG


All of this shyt is sides of a multi point issue we are discussing and yall acting like its just: roc marciano changed the game and everyone after him is his son. and dont wanna break down what actually happened.



“It was CRICKETS until P jumped on the remix. He was KING of the UG. TOP dog. When he jumped on… its like… I ARRIVED”

 

[spliz]

^^^ ur insane my nikka. lol. And plenty people in here proved why what u saying holds no weight. So don’t single me out.

 

[Bugzbunny129]

^^^ ur insane my nikka. lol. And plenty people in here proved why what u saying holds no weight. So don’t single me out.

you cant even comprehend what im saying and its sad. The fact you instant replied without reading proves that.

Again. Read my FIRST post.

RELOADED did what the video says MARCBERG did.

I dont need people on the coli to agree with me so i can run away from a discussion. I was there.

 

[spliz]

you cant even comprehend what im saying and its sad. The fact you instant replied without reading proves that.

Again. Read my FIRST post.

RELOADED did what the video says MARCBERG did.

I dont need people on the coli to agree with me so i can run away from a discussion. I was there.

Marcberg started it Reloaded took it to the next level. Simple as that.

 

[Bugzbunny129]

Marcberg started it Reloaded took it to the next level. Simple as that.

No its NOT simple. Thats the discussion. We are having. Again. Like a ROCK.



Roc marciano:

“I didnt have any plans for a remix. P called me and told me he doing it. He said he was doing it. Aend him thw joint. I had no plans for it at all. And then P bodied that. And when he finished….

It was on now….

ITS LIKE… IM ARRIVING NOW…Cuz p already BODIED THE UNDERGROUND. HE HAD IT ALREADY.

HE WAS RUNNING THE UG. HE WAS… TOP DOG. That was like … oh ok… they gettung it now. Before that … IT WAS CRICKETS.

I WOULDNT HAVE DID THAT FOR ANYBODY. BUT P… I HAD TO HE WAS ON TOP. “

Roc marciano about sean price putting him ON ON and p passing the TORCH literally.

He himself said it extended from P but ok… he said it was CRICKETS until P put him on.

But yea Ps movement. Nothing to do with roc or anything. Just all ROC. He spawned an entire hip hop movement by himself with no forefathers or anything. Foh

 

[spliz]

No its NOT simple. Thats the discussion. We are having. Again. Like a ROCK.



Roc marciano:

“I didnt have any plans for a remix. P called me and told me he doing it. He said he was doing it. Aend him thw joint. I had no plans for it at all. And then P bodied that. And when he finished….

It was on now….

ITS LIKE… IM ARRIVING NOW…Cuz p already BODIED THE UNDERGROUND. HE HAD IT ALREADY.

HE WAS RUNNING THE UG. HE WAS… TOP DOG. That was like … oh ok… they gettung it now. Before that … IT WAS CRICKETS.

I WOULDNT HAVE DID THAT FOR ANYBODY. BUT P… I HAD TO HE WAS ON TOP. “

Roc marciano about sean price putting him ON ON and p passing the TORCH literally.

He himself said it extended from P but ok… he said it was CRICKETS until P put him on.

nikka are u dense? P didn’t do what Roc did and does. That’s the difference. Roc made the underground FLY nikka. He MADE it COOL to be an underground rapper. ANY underground street rapper will tell u this. The EMCEES AND PRODUCERS give him this credit. It’s not about who did it first. Roc had a whole different aesthetic than Sean Price. U had cats like ASAP Yams stating his life his like a Roc Marci verse. Roc EXPANDED his aesthetic on Reloaded. But it was very much there on Marcberg and he is credited for breathing life into the underground scene. The reason u in here arguing with everyone is because u don’t understand WHY Roc is getting the props in the first place. It’s literally going over ur head.