Roc Marciano's 'Marcberg' Changed Rap music

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Subject matter too

They were trapping about protons and neutrons and centrifugal force and pythagorean theorems and shyt

Facts. shyt was dirt. lol

 

[O.Red]

Curren$y absolutely belongs in the discussion. Roc and Spitta are the most important underground artists of the 2010s and I don’t think it’s a debate imo.

I ain't the Roc expert but I fukk with his shyt and definitely acknowledge his impact but Spitta always gets left out of these convos when he was doing a lot of the same shyt at the same time if not first

It's not just the drumless element, it's the complete aesthetic. It's the fly shyt, the imagery, etc. Nikkas wasnt doing the avant garde album covers. Before Griselda was doing covers with wrestlers, fashion designers,drug lords etc Currensy had covers like




There's more but I feel like this thread/convo doesn't know exactly what it wants to be about yet But regardless Spitta deserves every bit as much as credit as Roc

 

[O.Red]

Damn, so unless we can find earlier examples, the GOAT RZA was the first with drumless/subdued percussion?

Nikka everyone knows this already

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

Nikka everyone knows this already

I figured, but I wasn't sure b/c Muggs has stuff from around that era too that was drumless (or at least 1 song)

 

[spliz]

I ain't the Roc expert but I fukk with his shyt and definitely acknowledge his impact but Spitta always gets left out of these convos when he was doing a lot of the same shyt at the same time if not first

It's not just the drumless element, it's the complete aesthetic. It's the fly shyt, the imagery, etc. Nikkas wasnt doing the avant garde album covers. Before Griselda was doing covers with wrestlers, fashion designers,drug lords etc Currensy had covers like




There's more but I feel like this thread/convo doesn't know exactly what it wants to be about yet But regardless Spitta deserves every bit as much as credit as Roc

Yup. Only difference is Spitta wasn’t really doing underground SOUNDING shyt, his shyt sounded ready for the mainstream if the mainstream wasn’t in a shytty space.

 

[O.Red]

I figured, but I wasn't sure b/c Muggs has stuff from around that era too that was drumless (or at least 1 song)

Yea but I think specifics are important since we're here, and there's a bit of a lack of focus of the point of the topic

Rza is the father of all of this definitely, but to narrow it down, this topic is about the underground movement of the early 2010s, which was pioneered by Roc and Currensy, with Alchemist being the glue that held it all together(more on Alc in a later post)

Now what directly influenced what became this wave is Supreme Clientele

 

[Piff Perkins]

Curren$y absolutely belongs in the discussion. Roc and Spitta are the most important underground artists of the 2010s and I don’t think it’s a debate imo.

Some would try to say Wiz but he got so much shyt from Spitta. He simply was more marketable than Spitta. No shots at Wiz tho, I've never been a fan but he has ALWAYS given Spitta props for being first.

 

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Some would try to say Wiz but he got so much shyt from Spitta. He simply was more marketable than Spitta. No shots at Wiz tho, I've never been a fan but he has ALWAYS given Spitta props for being first.

This is all facts. Wiz was still trying to find himself and his sound before he met Spitta.

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

Yea but I think specifics are important since we're here, and there's a bit of a lack of focus of the point of the topic

Rza is the father of all of this definitely, but to narrow it down, this topic is about the underground movement of the early 2010s, which was pioneered by Roc and Currensy, with Alchemist being the glue that held it all together(more on Alc in a later post)

Now what directly influenced what became this wave is Supreme Clientele

no lies told

 

[O.Red]

One thing that is always left out of this convo, largely because it came out as early is 2007 is Alchemist and Prodigy's Return Of The Mac. If we're going strictly off the sounds this is the true birth of what became the 2010s underground wave



I hate giving a cac so much credit but Alc is definitely one of the pillars of this movement

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

One thing that is always left out of this convo, largely because it came out as early is 2007 is Alchemist and Prodigy's Return Of The Mac. If we're going strictly off the sounds this is the true birth of what became the 2010s underground wave




I hate giving a cac so much credit but Alc is definitely one of the pillars of this movement

Breh, alc been certified for 20 years at this point.... He true to this, he's not some vulture. He not gonna switch up and make a country album or fake a Jamaican accent or some ish.

And I agree about Return of the Mac

 

[spliz]

One thing that is always left out of this convo, largely because it came out as early is 2007 is Alchemist and Prodigy's Return Of The Mac. If we're going strictly off the sounds this is the true birth of what became the 2010s underground wave




I hate giving a cac so much credit but Alc is definitely one of the pillars of this movement

Word Alc is def a pillar. But even he said he switched his production style up a little bit when he heard Roc’s production.

 

[spliz]

Breh, alc been certified for 20 years at this point.... He true to this, he's not some vulture. He not gonna switch up and make a country album or fake a Jamaican accent or some ish.

And I agree about Return of the Mac

More like closer to 30 years.

 

[O.Red]

Word Alc is def a pillar. But even he said he switched his production style up a little bit when he heard Roc’s production.

Yea definitely but I think we should lay it all out there since this discussion is rarely had with consideration of scale. It's always "Roc started everything" and left alone

I'm saying on Return of the Mac you can definitely hear where shyt was headed. So when I talk about the pillars you take ROTM, What Spitta was doing with music and aesthetics, and what Roc was developing, but the time you get to 2011/12 shyt is

It's a prime example of great minds thinking alike

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

More like closer to 30 years.

You right...I said 20 years in case cats had him on a probationary period