Roc Marciano's 'Marcberg' Changed Rap music

[KingsOfKings]

 

[Bugzbunny129]

Marcberg?

That album didnt change shyt

A fatbeats release tht was 1/100. Reloaded changed things. Not marcberg. shyt was STRICTLY ug nyc buzz.

 

[Bondye Vodou]

Jay Electronic did it first.

 

[Bugzbunny129]

Jay Electronic did it first.

Its really weird to me how roc and griselda got credit for the bring back 90s / drumlwss vibes when exihbit c and jays drumless beats rza/wu tang style is what really did it.

I dont see how marcberg was any different than what sean p was doing att. Its a continuation of that run of artists.

 

[Tetris v2.0]

Jay Electronica ain't did shyt lol

He went viral and faded to obscurity having released basically nothing

Roc's commitment to that aesthetic mixed with his work ethic is what did it. Alchemist also deserves credit for that movement as well

 

[CM_Burns]

Its really weird to me how roc and griselda got credit for the bring back 90s / drumlwss vibes when exihbit c and jays drumless beats rza/wu tang style is what really did it.

I dont see how marcberg was any different than what sean p was doing att. Its a continuation of that run of artists.

Rocs sound was a lot more minimalist than Sean Price

 

[spliz]

Its really weird to me how roc and griselda got credit for the bring back 90s / drumlwss vibes when exihbit c and jays drumless beats rza/wu tang style is what really did it.

I dont see how marcberg was any different than what sean p was doing att. Its a continuation of that run of artists.

Roc made the underground fly and not dusty. U don’t even comprehend why he gets the props he does. Even Alchemist as a producer gives Roc his credit ESPECIALLY with Reloaded.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Does Sean Price deserve a lot of credit for holding down the fort? Of course. But it would be foolish to deny that Roc Marci is the one who started the NY resurgence. And yes, it started with Marcberg. From a "wave" perspective Reloaded started the drum-less, minimalist shyt. But Marcberg is what sparked the feeling that NY had fresh rappers, whether they were young or older, who were rapping hard again. AG The Coroner, Action Bronson, Meyhem Lauren, Maffew Ragazino, Exquire, etc etc. All those dudes started getting more and more blog love back then because Roc Marci kicked the door in. It was a distinct sound, at a time when a lot of regions and rappers were also doing unique things. Even looking at NY specifically...Roc Marci sounded nothing like ASAP, who sounded nothing like Flatbush Zombies. Classic era...

Another thing about Reloaded...just because we say it started the wave doesn't mean it created the sound. Yes, there were drum-less beats long before that album.



But no one would call that a 90s wave because it didn't spark anything. Just like there were soul loops long before Kanye/Roc producers, yet we generally give Kanye/Roc credit for the soul loop era wave. Likewise, Reloaded was the start of that wave: it inspired a shyt ton of albums that came afterwards. Not just sonically. It was also Roc as a rapper, sounding fly as shyt and using immaculate flows on those beats. Super descriptive, humorous, sometimes abstract.

 

[spliz]

Does Sean Price deserve a lot of credit for holding down the fort? Of course. But it would be foolish to deny that Roc Marci is the one who started the NY resurgence. And yes, it started with Marcberg. From a "wave" perspective Reloaded started the drum-less, minimalist shyt. But Marcberg is what sparked the feeling that NY had fresh rappers, whether they were young or older, who were rapping hard again. AG The Coroner, Action Bronson, Meyhem Lauren, Maffew Ragazino, Exquire, etc etc. All those dudes started getting more and more blog love back then because Roc Marci kicked the door in. It was a distinct sound, at a time when a lot of regions and rappers were also doing unique things. Even looking at NY specifically...Roc Marci sounded nothing like ASAP, who sounded nothing like Flatbush Zombies. Classic era...

Another thing about Reloaded...just because we say it started the wave doesn't mean it created the sound. Yes, there were drum-less beats long before that album.



But no one would call that a 90s wave because it didn't spark anything. Just like there were soul loops long before Kanye/Roc producers, yet we generally give Kanye/Roc credit for the soul loop era wave. Likewise, Reloaded was the start of that wave: it inspired a shyt ton of albums that came afterwards. Not just sonically. It was also Roc as a rapper, sounding fly as shyt and using immaculate flows on those beats. Super descriptive, humorous, sometimes abstract.

THANK YOU.

 

[Bugzbunny129]

Rocs sound was a lot more minimalist than Sean Price

So was dooms

Roc made the underground fly and not dusty. U don’t even comprehend why he gets the props he does. Even Alchemist as a producer gives Roc his credit ESPECIALLY with Reloaded.

Yes reloaded. Not marcberg. But by reloaded it was already a thing people picked back up on.

Roc getting hot made it a thing for people to follow, but sonically he didnt create shyt and it didnt start on marcberg. All the artists he calls influences so what he does.

And sean price deservers some props for this because roc will tell you he helped him jump off himself.

As far as “getting fly” i mean whatever. Thats what rae and ghost ALWAYS did. This is standard nyc 101 shyt theres a dozen + rappers with same subject matter and beat style who didnt pop and P was def an everyman rapper but he just handed off to him what others handed to p. Jusy cause others caught on cuz of roc dont mean guys havent BEEN rapping like this and he started some movement.

He just became the face of it for his time with it. And again to ignore jay elect exhibit c was actually popular on a diff level than this shyt is ignoring what people was doing att.

Matcberg didnt change anything. The purist shyt started years before that. When ka and roc first restablished themselves in 2007/8 it was going on. Iron works is 2008 self release self produced 2 years before roc. Everything yall saying is standard ug rappers shyt. Guys been making money off limited vinyl runs since doom. They just had to do it themselves now with no more labels above them. Making it some big idea when its literally how independent artists work is just… ok.

Reloaded made the wave popular, sure. His popularity jumped ro a diff level there. But saying it changed hip hop is a lil much. And alchemist was influenced by a lot of people, id expect that of his most constant collaborator.



Roc marci saying MARCBERG was CRICKETS until SEAN P jumped on the remix because SEAN P was “KING OF THE UG. TOP DOG”

 

[Piff Perkins]

Another thing I wanna say about Marcberg, and Reloaded: in many ways they were a blueprint for how to REALLY make money in underground rap without being on that emo rap shyt (Atmosphere, Brother Ali, Aesop, etc) or being in the Tech9 camp. I'm not dissing that shyt but Roc was making money off vinyl, re-issues, etc while actually being fly. Sean P was doing well on Duck Down in 2005 but I'd argue underground rap had a negative connotation for black rappers at that time. Especially in NY when it came to the 50 Cent vs Koch shyt. Guys were making some bread while being clowned. Flash forward to Marcberg and you're getting amazing album covers, good vinyl pressings, the records sound good (mixing, mastering, etc). In short...I could actually play this shyt for my friends without being clowned. Which would have been near impossible in 2005 when a lot of dudes were on that soundscan bullshyt.

This completely changed the ECONOMY of underground rap. We went from an era where guys like Blu or Jay Electronica couldn't pay for beats in 2007 to suddenly dudes having bread to purchase or sell beats. Then you get into the economics of rapper/producer albums where both sides can make money, or the way touring (especially on the west coast, tristate, and Europe) started to become more lucrative. Roc Marci sparked that shyt. And yea you can argue Drake/Cole/Kendrick/KRIT/etc took things to another level when it came to all that but I'm just speaking on who sparked the shyt.

 

[Bigblackted4]

Yep ROC Marci and Spitta basically lead to the Griselda and other mixtape/underground acts having legit projects with original beats and touring off that

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

Does Sean Price deserve a lot of credit for holding down the fort? Of course. But it would be foolish to deny that Roc Marci is the one who started the NY resurgence. And yes, it started with Marcberg. From a "wave" perspective Reloaded started the drum-less, minimalist shyt. But Marcberg is what sparked the feeling that NY had fresh rappers, whether they were young or older, who were rapping hard again. AG The Coroner, Action Bronson, Meyhem Lauren, Maffew Ragazino, Exquire, etc etc. All those dudes started getting more and more blog love back then because Roc Marci kicked the door in. It was a distinct sound, at a time when a lot of regions and rappers were also doing unique things. Even looking at NY specifically...Roc Marci sounded nothing like ASAP, who sounded nothing like Flatbush Zombies. Classic era...

Another thing about Reloaded...just because we say it started the wave doesn't mean it created the sound. Yes, there were drum-less beats long before that album.



But no one would call that a 90s wave because it didn't spark anything. Just like there were soul loops long before Kanye/Roc producers, yet we generally give Kanye/Roc credit for the soul loop era wave. Likewise, Reloaded was the start of that wave: it inspired a shyt ton of albums that came afterwards. Not just sonically. It was also Roc as a rapper, sounding fly as shyt and using immaculate flows on those beats. Super descriptive, humorous, sometimes abstract.

Well said.

The Muggs beat on Soul Assassins came out in 97...is that the first example of "drumless?"

 

[Piff Perkins]

Well said.

The Muggs beat on Soul Assassins came out in 97...is that the first example of "drumless?"

I'm not sure but it's the oldest one I know of.

 

[Zero]

Roc made the underground fly and not dusty. U don’t even comprehend why he gets the props he does. Even Alchemist as a producer gives Roc his credit ESPECIALLY with Reloaded.

Underground hiphop was in such a bad way before UN/Roc.

Maladjusted cacs spitting battle raps from 2001 to 2007