Roc Marciano & Alchemist - The Elephant Man’s Bones (Discussion Thread)

[pete clemenza]

Safe to say this will be a classic just off the news alone

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Son of G Rap & Stabbed & Shot both better than anything Roc Marciano ever released. Don’t get me on the run Ransom been on. He’s elite GTFOH

You might like those more, and that's fine, but real talk there would be no Son of G Rap or Stabbed & Shot albums without Marcberg and Reloaded.

Roc Marci paved the way for Griselda, Trust Gang, BSF, and all the other indie scene street rap movements. He paved the way for the production, the business model, and all that. Roc Marci pioneered the way for the success that Griselda and them are seeing right now.

 

[Heavy_Handz]

You might like those more, and that's fine, but real talk there would be no Son of G Rap or Stabbed & Shot albums without Marcberg and Reloaded.

Roc Marci paved the way for Griselda, Trust Gang, BSF, and all the other indie scene street rap movements. He paved the way for the production, the business model, and all that. Roc Marci pioneered the way for the success that Griselda and them are seeing right now.

I personally think that posters here are exaggerating Roc Marciano’s impact. It’s not even a diss to him as a rapper. I just don’t see this major impact he had during the last decade.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I personally think that posters here are exaggerating Roc Marciano’s impact. It’s not even a diss to him as a rapper. I just don’t see this major impact he had during the last decade.

Man, I dunno. I thought it influenced a ton of people. You like Ransom, and his producer Craven thought it was so impactful that he reviewed the whole Marcberg album recently, and he's directly cited Roc Marci as his influence for all of the beats on his Director's Cut projects with Ransom. Alchemist has directly cited Roc as an influence for him to expand his production sounds in the early 2010's as well as do full collab projects with rappers instead of producer compilation albums. Even a lot of Roc's adlibs rubbed off and you can hear West and Conway with the funny adlibs. Daringer has cited Roc as a huge production influence. I mean Roc was able to get Q-Tip and Just Blaze inspired working again. Nothing gets Just Blaze excited.

Sean Price knew Roc had next and gave him a huge cosign by doing the Snow Remix without being asked to do it, and telling everyone that Roc had next. Sean P passed him the torch. Conway and Westside have both said how much Roc influenced them.

All this stuff below isn't just made up. I respect your opinion, but at some point we may just have to admit that there's something to it when 90% of this guy's peers in the game (rappers, producers, and businessmen) all say that Roc has been a massive influence on the genre as a whole in the past 10+ years. Hus Kingpin calls him the Rakim of the past decade.

Roc Marciano Influenced A Decade Of Hip-Hop. He Looks Back At How He Did It (Video)

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Roc Marciano Opens Up About Sean Price

 

[T.H.E. Goat]

You might like those more, and that's fine, but real talk there would be no Son of G Rap or Stabbed & Shot albums without Marcberg and Reloaded.

Roc Marci paved the way for Griselda, Trust Gang, BSF, and all the other indie scene street rap movements. He paved the way for the production, the business model, and all that. Roc Marci pioneered the way for the success that Griselda and them are seeing right now.

WSG even said in an interview when he was first started Griselda he told Daringer specifically to make beats that sounded like Roc Marciano and The Alchemist

 

[spliz]

Man, I dunno. I thought it influenced a ton of people. You like Ransom, and his producer Craven thought it was so impactful that he reviewed the whole Marcberg album recently, and he's directly cited Roc Marci as his influence for all of the beats on his Director's Cut projects with Ransom. Alchemist has directly cited Roc as an influence for him to expand his production sounds in the early 2010's as well as do full collab projects with rappers instead of producer compilation albums. Even a lot of Roc's adlibs rubbed off and you can hear West and Conway with the funny adlibs. Daringer has cited Roc as a huge production influence. I mean Roc was able to get Q-Tip and Just Blaze inspired working again. Nothing gets Just Blaze excited.

Sean Price knew Roc had next and gave him a huge cosign by doing the Snow Remix without being asked to do it, and telling everyone that Roc had next. Sean P passed him the torch. Conway and Westside have both said how much Roc influenced them.

All this stuff below isn't just made up. I respect your opinion, but at some point we may just have to admit that there's something to it when 90% of this guy's peers in the game (rappers, producers, and businessmen) all say that Roc has been a massive influence on the genre as a whole in the past 10+ years. Hus Kingpin calls him the Rakim of the past decade.

Roc Marciano Influenced A Decade Of Hip-Hop. He Looks Back At How He Did It (Video)

Twenty-Plus Years Into Rap, Roc Marciano Is Still Setting Trends

Roc Marciano, godfather of the underground

Roc Marciano Opens Up About Sean Price

There’s literally no denying Roc’s influence and the people that he loves would say the same shyt. From DJ’s to producers it’s all the same shyt. They all make sure to give Roc his just due. nikkas don’t even have to like the nikka but it would take a straight up hater to follow that scene and deny his influence.

 

[Heavy_Handz]

Man, I dunno. I thought it influenced a ton of people. You like Ransom, and his producer Craven thought it was so impactful that he reviewed the whole Marcberg album recently, and he's directly cited Roc Marci as his influence for all of the beats on his Director's Cut projects with Ransom. Alchemist has directly cited Roc as an influence for him to expand his production sounds in the early 2010's as well as do full collab projects with rappers instead of producer compilation albums. Even a lot of Roc's adlibs rubbed off and you can hear West and Conway with the funny adlibs. Daringer has cited Roc as a huge production influence. I mean Roc was able to get Q-Tip and Just Blaze inspired working again. Nothing gets Just Blaze excited.

Sean Price knew Roc had next and gave him a huge cosign by doing the Snow Remix without being asked to do it, and telling everyone that Roc had next. Sean P passed him the torch. Conway and Westside have both said how much Roc influenced them.

All this stuff below isn't just made up. I respect your opinion, but at some point we may just have to admit that there's something to it when 90% of this guy's peers in the game (rappers, producers, and businessmen) all say that Roc has been a massive influence on the genre as a whole in the past 10+ years. Hus Kingpin calls him the Rakim of the past decade.

Roc Marciano Influenced A Decade Of Hip-Hop. He Looks Back At How He Did It (Video)

Twenty-Plus Years Into Rap, Roc Marciano Is Still Setting Trends

Roc Marciano, godfather of the underground

Roc Marciano Opens Up About Sean Price

Calling him the Rakim of the past decade is wild bro. I know I’m being labeled a hater in this thread right now for stating my honest opinion but cmon my dude. Rakim of the past decade???? I can’t get past that kind of talk. That is the fanboy shyt I can’t get with. That is a false claim 100%

 

[Khadafi1982]

You might like those more, and that's fine, but real talk there would be no Son of G Rap or Stabbed & Shot albums without Marcberg and Reloaded.

Roc Marci paved the way for Griselda, Trust Gang, BSF, and all the other indie scene street rap movements. He paved the way for the production, the business model, and all that. Roc Marci pioneered the way for the success that Griselda and them are seeing right now.

I disagree on Son Of Kool G rap album. I’ve been following 38 Spesh career son 2007. He was an east coast mixtape rapper that dabbled in dirty south type beats. Most of the songs on that album are classic boom bap and not the minimalist type of today’s underground. The album could have came up in 2010. However you are right, he copied Griselda business model thus Roc Marciano business model.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Calling him the Rakim of the past decade is wild bro. I know I’m being labeled a hater in this thread right now for stating my honest opinion but cmon my dude. Rakim of the past decade???? I can’t get past that kind of talk. That is the fanboy shyt I can’t get with. That is a false claim 100%

setting aside one of his peers Hus calling him that, what about every other aspect besides that one sentence from him? I posted a bunch of good stuff and out of everything, that one sentence from one fellow rapper is the focal point of this reply.

I still feel like it's mostly that you just don't fukk with Roc. Which again, is cool. Everybody has opinions. Nothing wrong with that. But it doesn't change his impact on the culture.

But like, if I have an opinion that I see is clearly not held by many other knowledgeable heads that have a history of being fair and intelligent, then I'd at least consider their opinions before just insisting that I'm right and everyone else is tripping.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I disagree on Son Of Kool G rap album. I’ve been following 38 Spesh career son 2007. He was an east coast mixtape rapper that dabbled in dirty south type beats. Most of the songs on that album are classic boom bap and not the minimalist type of today’s underground. The album could have came up in 2010. However you are right, he copied Griselda business model thus Roc Marciano business model.

I know Son of G Rap didn't sound like a Roc Marci album but my point is that Roc made that entire lane fly. I think the term influence is being misunderstood. I don't think anyone is saying that 38 Spesh, Griselda, etc wouldn't exist without Roc. And no one is saying that they need to be licking Roc's boots or thanking him for their careers.

But the interest in a Son of G Rap album would certainly be much lower without Roc making albums like Marcberg and Reloaded to shape the sound for this era.

 

[Heavy_Handz]

setting aside one of his peers Hus calling him that, what about every other aspect besides that one sentence from him? I posted a bunch of good stuff and out of everything, that one sentence from one fellow rapper is the focal point of this reply.

I still feel like it's mostly that you just don't fukk with Roc. Which again, is cool. Everybody has opinions. Nothing wrong with that. But it doesn't change his impact on the culture.

But like, if I have an opinion that I see is clearly not held by many other knowledgeable heads that have a history of being fair and intelligent, then I'd at least consider their opinions before just insisting that I'm right and everyone else is tripping.

I respect your opinion & will check those videos. I feel I’ve given Roc a fair shake through the years and have listened through his stuff. I do consider that maybe I’m the one who’s tripping

 

[Casso Dinero]

rochmm

• Casso Dinero
• Apr 17, 2017
• 1

Looking forward to this

 

[spliz]

I respect your opinion & will check those videos. I feel I’ve given Roc a fair shake through the years and have listened through his stuff. I do consider that maybe I’m the one who’s tripping

Start with Marcberg and Reloaded bro. Take it from there. I think a lot of people make the mistake of starting with his more abstract later work. But u listen to those albums and u will hear a lot of his DNA within a lot of these other cats shyt. I feel like a lot of these cats went up to maybe Pimpire or Rosebudd’s Revenge and left the influence there. Thematically maybe Reloaded because after that he was more on some pimp shyt up until now. But even an album like Behold A Dark Horse is very accessible as well.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I respect your opinion & will check those videos. I feel I’ve given Roc a fair shake through the years and have listened through his stuff. I do consider that maybe I’m the one who’s tripping

daps and reps. Regardless, it's all love. I appreciate that you always shoot straight no matter what you think too.

 

[ECA]

Jadakiss
Benny The Butcher
38 Spesh
Conway
Royce The 5’9
Black Thought
Ransom

There’s plenty of great MC’s for him to work with I just don’t get why he spends so much time doing full projects with small acts. Next thing you know he’ll drop an album with Big Body Bes smh