RIP: Ethiopian Airlines Crash, 157 killed, Most countries now barring Boeing 737 MAX 8 and 9s

[BigMoneyGrip]

The airline decided against the safety feature(s) and y’all believe Boeing is liable...cool.



Im curious, does this disgust extend to blind spot warnings and pedestrian sensors on cars?should all safety features be standard on everything?

Yeah it’s boeing fault you fukkin moron.. Safety features should be standard not a fukkin option.. that’s like saying air bags in automobiles are optional. Boeing was being fukkin greedy on shyt that should have been standard..

Bet you they making those safety features standard now tho..

You a real clown ass nikka.. you def need to catch that fade

 

[koolkeef]

A govt. regulatory agency was once again hamstrung by budget cuts.

A corporate entity was once again entrusted to do its own regulation.

A corporation's interpretation of "safety margin" resides squarely on a cost-benefit spreadsheet, so once again the inevitable occurred.

And once again dead7 is on the wrong side of an argument.

Did I miss anything?

 

[DEAD7]

this is sort of proof of concept of how private companies regulating themselves would work. due to budget cuts (you know the whole drowning it in a bathtub thing) the FAA said fukk it we couldn't properly regulate you with what we got so how about you just send us some of your engineers and they can regulate their own work. my biggest problem with this is the FAA then signing off. no FAA certifications should be granted in any situation where industry is self-regulating. it should be boeing certified/approved and then let them try to sell their planes to private airlines and foreign countries with that level of certification. the US govt and boeing should both be sued.

No this is an example of government regulatory failure. If Boeing was accountable for certifying the planes as safe, they’d be careful not to torpedo their company and wealth....
What we have here is planes that cannot endanger consumers without government signing off on them as safe... this whole well the FAA stopped caring/looked the other way so it’s Boeings fault narrative is wild.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

No this is an example of government regulatory failure. If Boeing was accountable for certifying the planes as safe, they’d be careful not to torpedo their company and wealth....
What we have here is planes that cannot endanger consumers without government signing off on them as safe... this whole well the FAA stopped caring/looked the other way so it’s Boeings fault narrative is wild.

Why would you be in the business of making flying death traps on purpose? They are both to blame, I'll give you that. But safety features as option for the sake of more profits is wrong.

 

[DEAD7]

A corporate entity was once again entrusted to do its own regulation.

False... government regulators asleep at the wheel allowing companies to regulate themselves shielded from accountability.
It’s the FAA who certified the planes as safe... if they let Boeing run the operation it’s still on them... why the try to dismiss their negligence? People died on planes the FAA certified as safe, not Boeing. FAA heads need to roll as well.

 

[DEAD7]

Why would you be in the business of making flying death traps on purpose? They are both to blame, I'll give you that. But safety features as option for the sake of more profits is wrong.

Wrong, sure. What the FAA did, from what I can tell is illegal, or should be.
No airline purchases the planes without those features without the FAA stamp saying it’s ok.


Edit: the title and post in this thread place blame squarely on Boeing... you’ve gone rouge by claiming both are responsible

 

[DEAD7]

Yeah it’s boeing fault you fukkin moron

The state really is blameless to liberals
...and suggesting otherwise should get me beat up.



Might be time to cop a red hat.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

this is an example of government regulatory failure.

But you want the government to fail to regulate anything.

 

[DEAD7]

How do corruptible 'humans' hold other corruptible 'humans' accountable?

Do we have a fledging anarchist...

 

[DEAD7]

But you want the government to fail to regulate anything.

As this thread displays accountability isn’t even sought for state actors... only private ones. Just remove the state regulators, guillotine bad actors and save tax payer dollars.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Wrong, sure. What the FAA did, from what I can tell is illegal, or should be.
No airline purchases the planes without those features without the FAA stamp saying it’s ok.



Edit: the title and post in this thread place blame squarely on Boeing... you’ve gone rouge by claiming both are responsible

There's two issues here. FAA cleared a plane with faulty software and may or may not have greenlighted a plane without angle-of-attack indicators and a disagree light. The other issue is that Boeing left these as options as opposed to standard safety components included in the base stock/price. FAA only concerns US based/bought planes. FAA wouldn't have had any say in what happened in Ethiopia or Indonesia.

As said here,

The angle of attack indicator will remain an option that airlines can buy. Neither feature was mandated by the Federal Aviation Administration. All 737 Max jets have been grounded.

“They’re critical, and cost almost nothing for the airlines to install,” said Bjorn Fehrm, an analyst at the aviation consultancy Leeham. “Boeing charges for them because it can. But they’re vital for safety.”

 

[DEAD7]

This is a trash argument and operates under the false premises that corporations have shown to be good actors without regulation and that regulations exist because we've already experienced what unrestrained capitalism looks like.

Accountability is the way forward, for example, you vote in someone who isn't hell bent on deregulation and actually appoints a head to the FAA.

Certain industries require regulation... wasn’t making a free market argument, just that airlines would be better off... and independent of govt. shut down fukkery as an added bonus.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

How Did the F.A.A. Allow the Boeing 737 Max to Fly?

On Sunday, the Seattle Times, the home-town newspaper of Boeing’s commercial division, published the results of a lengthy investigation into the federal certification of the 737 Max. It found that the F.A.A. outsourced key elements of the certification process to Boeing itself, and that Boeing’s safety analysis of the new plane contained some serious flaws, including several relating to the MCAS.

 

[Pressure]

Certain industries require regulation... wasn’t making a free market argument, just that airlines would be better off... and independent of govt. shut down fukkery as an added bonus.

Plane mishaps usually lead to massive casualties.

In my opinion it is in the long term financial interest ofthe airline industry to gave an independent regulatory body.

Without it people will assume flying isn't safe.

 

[DEAD7]

Plane mishaps usually lead to massive casualties.

In my opinion it is in the long term financial interest ofthe airline industry to gave an independent regulatory body.

Without it people will assume flying isn't safe.

Third party no issue with that... as long as it’s a private entity with an actual stake in being honest and diligent.
Government as we’re seeing just keeps swimming.
We’ll hang it on trumps budget cuts and hope it doesn’t happen again.