RIP: Ethiopian Airlines Crash, 157 killed, Most countries now barring Boeing 737 MAX 8 and 9s

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Boeing was greedy and the FAA was negligent...:ehh:
Are those equal offenses to leftist? Or is being greedy worse?

Speaking for myself, negligent is worse than greedy. But in this case, greedy is worse. Their greed is an international scandal and danger.
 

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Speaking for myself, negligent is worse than greedy. But in this case, greedy is worse. Their greed is an international scandal and danger.
:usure:And the negligence isn’t.
These planes were certified as safe by government. They were not safe...


:usure:You are saying Boeing being greedy and charging extra for the features is worse than the government co-signing the planes as safe without the features?



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:usure:And the negligence isn’t.
These planes were certified as safe by government. They were not safe...


:usure:You are saying Boeing being greedy and charging extra for the features is worse than the government co-signing the planes as safe without the features?



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I didn't realize they have to approved by the FAA before being sold overseas. I thought that was only for planes being sold to American companies or American use. My bad. :hubie:

But still the greed is worse. The company is willing to let people die to make a profit. That's worse than incompetence. How much is debatable.
 

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:deadmanny:The FAA has officially ceased to exist on the left as the “free market” has entered the discussion for some strange reason.

The government regulators literally gave zero fukks and signed off on these planes... and are receiving little to no flack...

How do any of you expect regulators(or anyone) to be effective if they aren’t held accountable to the people they are beholden to. You can write all the regulation you want, but it’s only as good as the people enforcing it.

Government employees should already be in jail imo

Everything I've seen regarding this gas stated that the FAA let Boeing self regulate due to lack of resources to properly do there job. Regulatory agencies have been losing money in every recent budget. The fact that things like this happen is why we need better regulation not no regulation.

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(if what I bolded is true) A regulating body lets a company regulate themselves, company says its safe, regulating body co-signs, finds out its wasn't safe, and YOU want gov't employees to go to jail AND get rid of the regulating body and regulations too.

Corporations are shady (made up of people and are people), people are shady (run corporations and regulations), who can we really trust??? Who can we truly hold accountable??? Answer me this.
 

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:patrice:

(if what I bolded is true) A regulating body lets a company regulate themselves, company says its safe, regulating body co-signs, finds out its wasn't safe, and YOU want gov't employees to go to jail AND get rid of the regulating body and regulations too.

Corporations are shady (made up of people and are people), people are shady (run corporations and regulations), who can we really trust??? Who can we truly hold accountable??? Answer me this.
We can hold corporations accountable, imprison/sentence to death ceo’s, manager and all responsible parties, heavily fine the company, bar bad actors from the industry etc.

i believe accountability alone can change behavior.
 

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Trump's FAA - - on a flight that's a scary sight. :huhldup:
Can’t claim government when it suits you:umad:
One of the biggest critiques on centralized power is what happens when the wrong guy gets behind the wheel.

Accountability is the only way forward.
Regulation fail,the moment humans begin to human.
 

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Can’t claim government when it suits you:umad:
One of the biggest critiques on centralized power is what happens when the wrong guy gets behind the wheel.

Accountability is the only way forward.
Regulation fail,the moment humans begin to human.
This is a trash argument and operates under the false premises that corporations have shown to be good actors without regulation and that regulations exist because we've already experienced what unrestrained capitalism looks like.

Accountability is the way forward, for example, you vote in someone who isn't hell bent on deregulation and actually appoints a head to the FAA. :russ:
 

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We can hold corporations accountable, imprison/sentence to death ceo’s, manager and all responsible parties, heavily fine the company, bar bad actors from the industry etc.

i believe accountability alone can change behavior.

and how do WE hold corporations 'accountable'?
Not judges, politicians, congressmen/women, WE the average citizen who the majority of us make 30k and works 40+hours at a dead-end job...

How do corruptible 'humans' hold other corruptible 'humans' accountable?
 

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Can’t claim government when it suits you:umad:
One of the biggest critiques on centralized power is what happens when the wrong guy gets behind the wheel.

Accountability is the only way forward.
Regulation fail,the moment humans begin to human.
this is sort of proof of concept of how private companies regulating themselves would work. due to budget cuts (you know the whole drowning it in a bathtub thing) the FAA said fukk it we couldn't properly regulate you with what we got so how about you just send us some of your engineers and they can regulate their own work. my biggest problem with this is the FAA then signing off. no FAA certifications should be granted in any situation where industry is self-regulating. it should be boeing certified/approved and then let them try to sell their planes to private airlines and foreign countries with that level of certification. the US govt and boeing should both be sued.
 

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We can hold corporations accountable, imprison/sentence to death ceo’s, manager and all responsible parties, heavily fine the company, bar bad actors from the industry etc.

i believe accountability alone can change behavior.
Who is we in this scenario? Are average citizens going to get to and arrest the heads of major corporations? How do we decide a company acted in a way that deserves punishment without uniform standards, i.e. regulations, for these companies to follow? How does your no government involved accountability work?
 
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