Rican HipHop pioneers giving the dates of when they entered/first saw HipHop being done. They were not there from the start by their own admissions!

[IllmaticDelta]

@Uptown WaYo87

This will be the official end of that "Latins were there at the start" and "Latins and blacks were 50/50 partnership on birthing HipHop" talk that Fat Joe was on.....and the proof/real truth came straight from the mouths of the Ricans who pioneered them into the game, in the mid 1970s.


1975: the first latino bboy/bboy crew (TBB) founded by Batch after he saw and was taught the dance by a black kid named "Tee Tee Rock"



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SIR NORIN RAD:"Willie Will (legendary Puerto Rican B-Boy from Rockwell Association) told me about how we was introduced to that original Black B-Boy Style of dancing which you referred to as The Go Off in 1976 by a B-Boy called Chopper that was down with the Zulu Nation. What was the relationship between TBB and the Zulu Nation? Was there any kind of contact at all?"

ABY:"Again, I was younger. I was too young to even understand the difference between Black and Puerto Rican. But to my brothers...to the older guys there was a barrier....there was a line between Blacks and Latinos. I mean look at the gangs back then...the Black Spades were all black and then you had the Ghetto Brothers which were all Latinos....so there was a division at first. I remember the Zulu Kings only from late 1976/77 that's when we really got involved. That's also when Batch had his meeting with the Zulu Nation..1977. TBB and members of the Zulu Nation they used to have rumbles.....they would fight against each other. Whatever jam they went to they would rumble. If there was a jam and TBB was chilling there and all of a sudden some one threw hands Batch would summon TBB Joe's division who was known as the warlord division meaning thay handled all the rumbles or one on one fight make sure no one jumped in !! . One of the first black DJs that I ever met was Lay Lay. He was from Fun PM City Crew and they was all black but they was kool cause they were from the block.We never had problems in 129 Mapes Pool. Lay Lay would get cutting and we would start dancing !! Back then we danced more with the girls than against each other .. But when we heard "It's Just Begun" or Babe Ruth "Mexican" or "Bongo Rock"... forget about it! Floor rockers hit the flooooorrrrrrr,!!! Cypher set and battles was for respect not money .. You had to be there to truly understand and smell the air and feel the excitement when the cat you was battling burned you the last time and you been practicing all week long for the moment you let it all out on the concrete ... Damn miss em days ."


DJ Lay Lay & The Fun City Crew rocking with The L-Brothers and The Mercedes Ladies in 1979


SIR NORIN RAD:"So you're saying there was a lot of tension between TBB and members the Zulu Nation?"

ABY:"There was! There was a lot of tension out there."

SIR NORIN RAD:"And all that beef was squashed at that meeting?"

ABY:"Batch had his meeting with Bam at the Webster projects on Zulu Nation turf in 1977. After that meeting they squashed it. I don't know how come Bam never spoke of this because it's such an important part of the history. It identifies with unity between Latinos and Blacks. So I don't know why he never acknowledged it."

Castles In The Sky

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The first Latino rappers: Whipper Whip (1977/1978) and Ruby Dee (1977). They admit there were no Latins in HipHop before the 1975-1977 era




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Whipper Whip entered the game after seeing brothers, Melle Mel and Kid Creole rapping






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Ruby D's introduction to HipHop/rapping came from Dj Aj (black)and the L Brothers (also blacks)



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Disco Wiz 1975, became the first Latin Dj in HipHop

Luis Cedeño, famously known as DJ Disco Wiz, was the first Latino DJ. DJ Disco Wiz was born and grew up in the Bronx, After attending DJ Kool Herc’s jam and getting inspired, In 1975, DJ Disco Wiz joined forces with his friend Casanova Fly (Grandmaster Caz) to form a group called the Mighty Force. The group was one of the first DJ crews in the Bronx and they would battle other DJs in the South Bronx streets, venues, community centers, and more.

DJ Disco Wiz wrote a book titled ‘It’s Just Begun: The Epic Journey of DJ Disco Wiz, Hip Hop’s First Latino DJ’ in 2009, he told Village Voice that same year, “People were opinionated about my role as a predominantly Spanish person doing something that was perceived as black culture,” because “Most Latinos were listening to disco and salsa then.”

dailyrapfacts.com/23176/dj-disco-wiz-was-the-first-latino-dj/

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Charlie Chase 1977

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Crazy legs first saw bboying in 1976 and his first HipHop jam in 1977





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Van Silk (early hiphop promoter from the 1970s) speaks about the relationship between blacks and puerto ricans in the early 1970s to about 1977. He says the Black Spades (black gang) and the Savage Nomads (ricans) and Ghetto Brothers (ricans) didn't like each other and that if you were black, you couldn't date any Rican chicks without getting jumped by Ricans. He said that they were in the same hood/same parks but the groups didn't interact with each other. Blacks were on one side with the sound systems/mobile jocks while Ricans would be on the other side with congas/timbales playing salsa music. He said around 1977, Ricans started hanging out more with the blacks and that's how they got into HipHop culture in large numbers







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Van Silk talks about no Ricans being around in the 1972/1973 era......there were no Puerto Ricans at Herc's early jams. Says that Herc just auctioned off some of his hiphop artifacts which included 190+ pictures. He said you won't find any Puerto Ricans in the pictures that came from herc's jams because they weren't around just like Trixie (early herc bboy) said










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So basically, Ricans came into HipHop around 1975 and later but the culture had already been going on from the black pioneers since 1970

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[Ish Gibor]

@Uptown WaYo87

This will be the official end of that "Latins were there at the start" and "Latins and blacks were 50/50 partnership on birthing HipHop" talk that Fat Joe was on.....and the proof/real truth came straight from the mouths of the Ricans who pioneered them into the game, in the mid 1970s.


1975: the first latino bboy/bboy crew (TBB) founded by Batch after he saw and was taught the dance by a black kid named "Tee Tee Rock"



read below

Spoiler

Castles In The Sky

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The first Latino rappers: Whipper Whip (1977/1978) and Ruby Dee (1977). They admit there were no Latins in HipHop before the 1975-1977 era




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Whipper Whip entered the game after seeing brothers, Melle Mel and Kid Creole rapping






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Ruby D's introduction to HipHop/rapping came from Dj Aj (black)and the L Brothers (also blacks)



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Disco Wiz 1975, became the first Latin Dj in HipHop








dailyrapfacts.com/23176/dj-disco-wiz-was-the-first-latino-dj/

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Charlie Chase 1977

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Crazy legs first saw bboying in 1976 and his first HipHop jam in 1977





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Van Silk (early hiphop promoter from the 1970s) speaks about the relationship between blacks and puerto ricans in the early 1970s to about 1977. He says the Black Spades (black gang) and the Savage Nomads (ricans) and Ghetto Brothers (ricans) didn't like each other and that if you were black, you couldn't date any Rican chicks without getting jumped by Ricans. He said that they were in the same hood/same parks but the groups didn't interact with each other. Blacks were on one side with the sound systems/mobile jocks while Ricans would be on the other side with congas/timbales playing salsa music. He said around 1977, Ricans started hanging out more with the blacks and that's how they got into HipHop culture in large numbers







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Van Silk talks about no Ricans being around in the 1972/1973 era......there were no Puerto Ricans at Herc's early jams. Says that Herc just auctioned off some of his hiphop artifacts which included 190+ pictures. He said you won't find any Puerto Ricans in the pictures that came from herc's jams because they weren't around just like Trixie (early herc bboy) said










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So basically, Ricans came into HipHop around 1975 and later but the culture had already been going on from the black pioneers since 1970

Spoiler

@newarkhiphop

@Kasper KArr

@boriquaking


@Evamarie

@Wild self


@Dafunkdoc_Unlimited

@Biscayne

@truth2you
@Supa
@tuckdog
@Mr. BROADWAY
@HarlemHottie
@im_sleep
@315
@Cadillac
@old boy
@winterwarz


@8WON6
@MAGARussiaLGBT Crunch


@saturn7

@TripleAgent

@Sankofa Alwayz

@K.O.N.Y


@315


@Commish

@Ish Geber

@Rekkapryde


@Nicole0416_718_929_646212

@Ziggy

@JQ Legend

@Knicksman20


@Lord-Yosh


@Amerikan Melanin

@Kool

This what we have been asking for. And this is the final conclusion.

This is why it was so important for the people who were there at the time to speak up and talk about this. Anyone else just had an opinion.

Ps, well put together as well!

 

[Lobo]

Chino XL was by far my favorite rican emcee. He was legendary.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

The reason there weren't masses of Latinos in the foundational years of early HipHop (1970-1974) is because HipHop was a youth/early 20s movement amongst blacks and this also happens to the be the same age range as what comprised the gang members that were roaming the Bronx amongst Ricans and Blacks.. Because of this, Blacks and Ricans of that age range were enemies and used to rumble against each other

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A black gang member from the 1970s says "You couldn't talk to a Puerto Rican chick as a black man in the Bronx and live (meaning you were gonna get beatdown by Rican men). It wasn't happening"




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even as late as 1977, the gang element was impacting relations with black and ricans as told/confirmed by 2 of the early Rican bboys (pre-crazy legs and rock steady crew) Trac 2 (1977) and Abby (1978)




here is abby and trac2 talking about the negative energy that existed between blacks and latins (ricans) and that the two groups used to rumble against each other. It wasn't until they had a meeting with zulu nation that (1977), that energy died off and the two groups came together (this is late 1970s)

 

[CHICAGO]

@Uptown WaYo87



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[Ish Gibor]

Lord Jamar recaps the show done earlier with Rubie Dee, Whipper Whip, Van Silk and Rahiem, on Dr. Oya Adwoa Maat's show.

 

[Ish Gibor]

Considering he lived in The Bronx, more people should come out who knew Pigmeat, so we can document Pigmeat's life and bio.


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[El_Mero_Mero]

@mods move this to "The Booth," it's about hip-hop, or... isn't it?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

@Uptown WaYo87



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@Uptown WaYo87 shook right now

 

[Jasonmask]

Not defending dude, I’ll get to chastising soon but hip hop was officially founded ‘78-‘79 everything else was it still building up to that. However what I said in that thread which I’ll remix here is that rapping, making music is the only relevant element to hip hop so all black artists are the sole reason hip hop is the way it is today. Latinos wouldn’t have done this on their own. It’s equivalent to being in a play and the people who set the stage say they were ones who did the great performance on stage knowing damn well they were behind the scenes at best.

 

[CHICAGO]

hip hop was officially founded ‘78-‘79

WHAT?



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[Jasonmask]

WHAT?



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When was it breh that’s over a decade before I was even out. I just know people say that was the date that it was around the time disco was dying and that’s why older people used to say hip hop was a fad and that it would phase out like disco

 

[Astroslik]

@boriquaking mad as shyt right now lol

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Not defending dude, I’ll get to chastising soon but hip hop was officially founded ‘78-‘79 everything else was it still building up to that. However what I said in that thread which I’ll remix here is that rapping, making music is the only relevant element to hip hop so all black artists are the sole reason hip hop is the way it is today. Latinos wouldn’t have done this on their own. It’s equivalent to being in a play and the people who set the stage say they were ones who did the great performance on stage knowing damn well they were behind the scenes at best.

You must mean rap on record, The culture itself, had been around since 1970/1971