America also stole Haiti's gold and reinstituted slavery during Smedley Butler's reign of terror
Reports: President of Haiti Assassinated at Home
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America also stole Haiti's gold and reinstituted slavery during Smedley Butler's reign of terror
get these nets
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No justification, just a power grab in the middle of confusion about what happens next.
MFers aren't qualified to do the work that the country needs to rebound, just want the seat so they can fukkin steal.
* Also board is acting up and I didn't get notified that you replied/quoted me.
US Marines forced Haitians at gunpoint to build roads and other public infrastructure at gunpoint. Sometimes, American Marines would shoot Haitians for fun.
What else can you call a system of forced labour without pay other than slavery? Hundreds to up to 5,500 Haitians were killed through the American 'forced labour' or slavery
The Corvee
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Absorbingpovertywithoutlimitations
Kenya and Tz? Kenya I might believe, Tanzania not so much.
get these nets
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I finished watching the vid.
Few parts where I question the guest's take. Irrelevant to the current situation, but raised my eyebrows.
-He revised the historical record about how the indemnity to France came about. He said that "Boyer sold Haiti out, so that France would recognize the country"
Two decades after the Revolution.....the French War Machine came back for round 2, and negotiated from a position of power over Haiti. Looking to develop the economy and have greater access to trade, Haitian leaders sought official recognition from other countries. Especially as we were isolated and kept at arm's length from the slave colonies in the Western hemisphere.
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-Exporting/sending rebels to Louisiana to spread revolt is a revision also. Enslaved had no way of knowing where the French slavemasters were taking them when they fled. And good majority of them went to Cuba for years, before having to flee again to ports in Philly, Baltimore, Carolinas, and Louisiana. Those cities didn't want to bring in Africans from Haiti for fear of revolt. They ended up where they ended up, but being sent on missions to spread revolt to particular cities is revision.
-Dynast asks him point blank at 22 minutes about the source of the high powered weapons used by gangs in Haiti. He sidesteps the question by saying that the guns and bullets are made in America. And that America should send boats to surround Haiti and inspect all shipments coming from US to Haiti for guns.
The Haitian American affiliates of the gangs living here are running guns to Haiti in coordination with people in the country. Same way the Irish mob in Boston was shipping high grade weapons to the IRA in Ireland in the 1980s.
Dock/port inspection system in Haiti is as poorly run by the govt. as the other systems, and is exploited by the gun runners.
Ireland worked with US law enforcement to track/halt/identify the Irish Americans shipping arms. Haitian leaders haven't done any such thing.
Now, he's IN Haiti right now, so perhaps for safety reasons he dodged the question, but the Nino Brown answer about "no poppy fields in Harlem" was a dodge, and so is his answer here.
@1 hr 13min Caller JC asks him what is the path forward for regular Haitian people, and what can we do? He dances around the question.
Two decades after the Revolution.....the French War Machine came back for round 2, and negotiated from a position of power over Haiti. Looking to develop the economy and have greater access to trade, Haitian leaders sought official recognition from other countries. Especially as we were isolated and kept at arm's length from the slave colonies in the Western hemisphere.
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-Exporting/sending rebels to Louisiana to spread revolt is a revision also. Enslaved had no way of knowing where the French slavemasters were taking them when they fled. And good majority of them went to Cuba for years, before having to flee again to ports in Philly, Baltimore, Carolinas, and Louisiana. Those cities didn't want to bring in Africans from Haiti for fear of revolt. They ended up where they ended up, but being sent on missions to spread revolt to particular cities is revision.
-Dynast asks him point blank at 22 minutes about the source of the high powered weapons used by gangs in Haiti. He sidesteps the question by saying that the guns and bullets are made in America. And that America should send boats to surround Haiti and inspect all shipments coming from US to Haiti for guns.
The Haitian American affiliates of the gangs living here are running guns to Haiti in coordination with people in the country. Same way the Irish mob in Boston was shipping high grade weapons to the IRA in Ireland in the 1980s.
Dock/port inspection system in Haiti is as poorly run by the govt. as the other systems, and is exploited by the gun runners.
Ireland worked with US law enforcement to track/halt/identify the Irish Americans shipping arms. Haitian leaders haven't done any such thing.
Now, he's IN Haiti right now, so perhaps for safety reasons he dodged the question, but the Nino Brown answer about "no poppy fields in Harlem" was a dodge, and so is his answer here.
@1 hr 13min Caller JC asks him what is the path forward for regular Haitian people, and what can we do? He dances around the question.
There are problem solvers and excuse makers. Examining the root of the problem is only useful to try to figure out how to address and solve problems. Not just for the sake of examining it.
I sensed a lot of excuse making from him during show. We are aware of Western meddling, Cold War era Western meddling, and anti-Venezuela inspired meddling by the US across the Caribbean. He couldn't give a direct answer to why politics was more volatile in Haiti as opposed to other countries in the region that are subject to the same external pressures and influence. He danced around it.
On state and local levels, Haitian leadership has been ineffective for my adult life. My Dad used read this paper
at the dinner table and school me about things that I read and witnessed for myself later in life.
Haitian diaspora breaking back to pay bills in new country AND send remittances and items back home eased the responsibilities of leadership in Haiti. Foreign religious organizations and NGOs also. And foreign aid. That freed up govt. resources to run, maintain, and develop the country's infrastructure. Instead they did none of that and siphoned the money.
A leader who is backed by the United States has wiggle room beyond what he is pressured into doing, to develop and build the country. Instead they do none of that and siphon the money. Even though it would give them a layer of protection by improving living conditions slightly for the populace.
Haiti is in its current situation right now. Caricom has tried to mediate between the different factions for at least a year. With no progress. When he says that Kenya is the black face to white imperialism, I'd like to know what alternative he would present to stop the destruction of Port au Prince. We do not have the capacity to stop it. And it will eventually spread to the other parts of the country if left unchecked.
Kooley_High
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Its seems a lot of armchair foreign policy experts dont really have an opinion different from blaming the U.S. “imperialism”.I finished watching the vid.
Few parts where I question the guest's take. Irrelevant to the current situation, but raised my eyebrows.
Dynast is solid, and I'm familiar with his travels and interactions with Black people across the globe. The offensive/attention grabbing title for vid either attracted the wrong element or his regular viewership has some knuckleheads sprinkled in because a high school level argument between callers broke out about 15 minutes after they opened it up for calls. And I tuned out.-He revised the historical record about how the indemnity to France came about. He said that "Boyer sold Haiti out, so that France would recognize the country"
Two decades after the Revolution.....the French War Machine came back for round 2, and negotiated from a position of power over Haiti. Looking to develop the economy and have greater access to trade, Haitian leaders sought official recognition from other countries. Especially as we were isolated and kept at arm's length from the slave colonies in the Western hemisphere.
===
-Exporting/sending rebels to Louisiana to spread revolt is a revision also. Enslaved had no way of knowing where the French slavemasters were taking them when they fled. And good majority of them went to Cuba for years, before having to flee again to ports in Philly, Baltimore, Carolinas, and Louisiana. Those cities didn't want to bring in Africans from Haiti for fear of revolt. They ended up where they ended up, but being sent on missions to spread revolt to particular cities is revision.
-Dynast asks him point blank at 22 minutes about the source of the high powered weapons used by gangs in Haiti. He sidesteps the question by saying that the guns and bullets are made in America. And that America should send boats to surround Haiti and inspect all shipments coming from US to Haiti for guns.
The Haitian American affiliates of the gangs living here are running guns to Haiti in coordination with people in the country. Same way the Irish mob in Boston was shipping high grade weapons to the IRA in Ireland in the 1980s.
Dock/port inspection system in Haiti is as poorly run by the govt. as the other systems, and is exploited by the gun runners.
Ireland worked with US law enforcement to track/halt/identify the Irish Americans shipping arms. Haitian leaders haven't done any such thing.
Now, he's IN Haiti right now, so perhaps for safety reasons he dodged the question, but the Nino Brown answer about "no poppy fields in Harlem" was a dodge, and so is his answer here.
@1 hr 13min Caller JC asks him what is the path forward for regular Haitian people, and what can we do? He dances around the question.
There are problem solvers and excuse makers. Examining the root of the problem is only useful to try to figure out how to address and solve problems. Not just for the sake of examining it.
I sensed a lot of excuse making from him during show. We are aware of Western meddling, Cold War era Western meddling, and anti-Venezuela inspired meddling by the US across the Caribbean. He couldn't give a direct answer to why politics was more volatile in Haiti as opposed to other countries in the region that are subject to the same external pressures and influence. He danced around it.
On state and local levels, Haitian leadership has been ineffective for my adult life. My Dad used read this paper
at the dinner table and school me about things that I read and witnessed for myself later in life.
Haitian diaspora breaking back to pay bills in new country AND send remittances and items back home eased the responsibilities of leadership in Haiti. Foreign religious organizations and NGOs also. And foreign aid. That freed up govt. resources to run, maintain, and develop the country's infrastructure. Instead they did none of that and siphoned the money.
A leader who is backed by the United States has wiggle room beyond what he is pressured into doing, to develop and build the country. Instead they do none of that and siphon the money. Even though it would give them a layer of protection by improving living conditions slightly for the populace.
Haiti is in its current situation right now. Caricom has tried to mediate between the different factions for at least a year. With no progress. When he says that Kenya is the black face to white imperialism, I'd like to know what alternative he would present to stop the destruction of Port au Prince. We do not have the capacity to stop it. And it will eventually spread to the other parts of the country if left unchecked.
While its very clear that the US meddles in foreign countries affairs (every country does) it doesn't make any sense to me that the US goal for Haiti is to become a failed state ran by gangs. People criticize the Kenya plan as “U.S. puppet politics” but what alternative is there?
CARICOM isnt proving as successful at the moment and I highly doubt a Haitian election will cause the gangs to put down their arms and territorial gains. There has to be a forceful response to getting the gangs under control and some will have to die.
Making these decisions isnt fun and no one wants violence but you cant point the finger and be critical of a plan when people are getting abused, killed and beaten already in the streets already.
I wish I could get into their minds, because I don't understand what they're actually getting out of this.
appreciate the response. i'm not all that informed on the situation, which is why i wanted you to look at the vid.I finished watching the vid.
Few parts where I question the guest's take. Irrelevant to the current situation, but raised my eyebrows.
Dynast is solid, and I'm familiar with his travels and interactions with Black people across the globe. The offensive/attention grabbing title for vid either attracted the wrong element or his regular viewership has some knuckleheads sprinkled in because a high school level argument between callers broke out about 15 minutes after they opened it up for calls. And I tuned out.-He revised the historical record about how the indemnity to France came about. He said that "Boyer sold Haiti out, so that France would recognize the country"
Two decades after the Revolution.....the French War Machine came back for round 2, and negotiated from a position of power over Haiti. Looking to develop the economy and have greater access to trade, Haitian leaders sought official recognition from other countries. Especially as we were isolated and kept at arm's length from the slave colonies in the Western hemisphere.
===
-Exporting/sending rebels to Louisiana to spread revolt is a revision also. Enslaved had no way of knowing where the French slavemasters were taking them when they fled. And good majority of them went to Cuba for years, before having to flee again to ports in Philly, Baltimore, Carolinas, and Louisiana. Those cities didn't want to bring in Africans from Haiti for fear of revolt. They ended up where they ended up, but being sent on missions to spread revolt to particular cities is revision.
-Dynast asks him point blank at 22 minutes about the source of the high powered weapons used by gangs in Haiti. He sidesteps the question by saying that the guns and bullets are made in America. And that America should send boats to surround Haiti and inspect all shipments coming from US to Haiti for guns.
The Haitian American affiliates of the gangs living here are running guns to Haiti in coordination with people in the country. Same way the Irish mob in Boston was shipping high grade weapons to the IRA in Ireland in the 1980s.
Dock/port inspection system in Haiti is as poorly run by the govt. as the other systems, and is exploited by the gun runners.
Ireland worked with US law enforcement to track/halt/identify the Irish Americans shipping arms. Haitian leaders haven't done any such thing.
Now, he's IN Haiti right now, so perhaps for safety reasons he dodged the question, but the Nino Brown answer about "no poppy fields in Harlem" was a dodge, and so is his answer here.
@1 hr 13min Caller JC asks him what is the path forward for regular Haitian people, and what can we do? He dances around the question.
There are problem solvers and excuse makers. Examining the root of the problem is only useful to try to figure out how to address and solve problems. Not just for the sake of examining it.
I sensed a lot of excuse making from him during show. We are aware of Western meddling, Cold War era Western meddling, and anti-Venezuela inspired meddling by the US across the Caribbean. He couldn't give a direct answer to why politics was more volatile in Haiti as opposed to other countries in the region that are subject to the same external pressures and influence. He danced around it.
On state and local levels, Haitian leadership has been ineffective for my adult life. My Dad used read this paper
at the dinner table and school me about things that I read and witnessed for myself later in life.
Haitian diaspora breaking back to pay bills in new country AND send remittances and items back home eased the responsibilities of leadership in Haiti. Foreign religious organizations and NGOs also. And foreign aid. That freed up govt. resources to run, maintain, and develop the country's infrastructure. Instead they did none of that and siphoned the money.
A leader who is backed by the United States has wiggle room beyond what he is pressured into doing, to develop and build the country. Instead they do none of that and siphon the money. Even though it would give them a layer of protection by improving living conditions slightly for the populace.
Haiti is in its current situation right now. Caricom has tried to mediate between the different factions for at least a year. With no progress. When he says that Kenya is the black face to white imperialism, I'd like to know what alternative he would present to stop the destruction of Port au Prince. We do not have the capacity to stop it. And it will eventually spread to the other parts of the country if left unchecked.
Kooley_High
All Star
It worked for Putin but would you want to live under him? He just killed a guy just for being critical of him. Strongman/Revolutionaries don't always make good leaders. Barbeque would be no different if not incompetent.
And I agree, the same problems would exist but the political/safety situation needs fixing first.
Kooley_High
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Probably money and the power to do what ever they want.
BobbyWojak
Superstar
That account loves to sensationalize the news, it also has a terrible right wing bias.
I noticed that, but it's funny cause I grabbed it from a Left Wing source.
The video speaks for itself though.