Perhaps, I'm not as well versed in policy at either nation so I'll fall back.
The US occupying would fukking suck.
Reports: President of Haiti Assassinated at Home
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Perhaps, I'm not as well versed in policy at either nation so I'll fall back.
The US occupying would fukking suck.
I wonder what Haiti would look like under Barbecue's control?
I can't imagine that's good.
But competent government just doesn't come out of nowhere.
And like I was saying in my Japanese school video - it's not just government officials.
It's not uncommon for Government to put in a building - only for it to get stripped of metal and wiring. That happens in America. That's definitely happened in lesser developed countries.
I'd argue that the bulk of Haiti's problems has been economic/financial.
The question becomes - what does Haiti offer the world in terms of economics?
This is the same question in Jamaica, most of the Caribbean, Black areas in Latin America, and Africa as a continent - and largely every other "low" income country.
If it's just natural resources, agricultural products, cheap labor, and tourism - imo - few low income countries will ever move up.
Frangala
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The formula is there but the political elites of these countries just refuse to do the right thing for some reason. The way you get sustainable economic growth is a function of capital (i.e. infrastructure) and both quantity (number of working age young people) and quality of labor (education/skillful workforce capable of technological innovation). Those two factors is what ignites sustainable economic growth. The govt. has to build infrastructure and schools and let innovation come from those who are educated and innovative to foster economic growth. Natural resources is finite human capital is not.
I mean the land itself is valuable. There's not a ton of places where speculators are going to have the ability to go in and snatch up land for peanuts. There's not even a functioning govenrment and so they'll have to sell off land and development rights to fund whatever comes next.
China looking at Haiti like
Kooley_High
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I think Barbeque is a symbol of the country’s frustration but I dont think he will make a good leader at all. He got where he is by violence and not governance and thats how he will continue to lead. Championing the call of resignation was just a way to make him more likable imo.
I think Haiti’s problems are both economic and political as the corruption is so entrenched its hard to change anything.
It worked for Putin? (and so many other leaders who came to power via coup/statelessness)
But I don't think he has the capacity to run a country.
Even if he was in charge, the same problems in Haiti still exist. The same problems that the elected officials were not solving.
There aren't enough resources for everyone. The best and worst thing that could happen to Haiti is finding oil reserves...
Russia is resource rich (Haiti has no resource as staregix and massive as Russia oil and gas reserves ) and geopolitically important with a massive population and land size
Haiti has neither the capitol, resources, size, or strategic location
Haiti has a infrastructure and endemic corruption problem
It's hard to see how it climbs out of where it is...but right next door - the DR is one of the fastest growing economies in Lat Am/Caribbean.
But he gets into it about what works and doesn't work from an Econ perspective. (I find him pretty credible, though not always.)
I’ll read through this thanksIt's hard to see how it climbs out of where it is...but right next door - the DR is one of the fastest growing economies in Lat Am/Caribbean.
But he gets into it about what works and doesn't work from an Econ perspective. (I find him pretty credible, though not always.)
One thing to remember is DR’s divergence economically from Haiti is relatively recent
Givethanks
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That's exactly it, who the heck wants to live somewhere where the leader rules by violence. No one wants to live in a war zone or where your freedoms are taken away.
Bro basically said resign or die lol. Bro have an election give the ppl what they want and let them decide.
I have hope Haiti will raise but it seems like there's too much going on.
get these nets
Veteran
Thanks. Title of the video is offensive, but the guest refuted the notion at roughly 19 minutes. Most Haitians would scoff at that animal being called anything but a devil.
Will watch full video and discuss later.
get these nets
Veteran
*FULL press conference in Kreyol
Mar 13, 2024
https://m.youtube.com/hashtag/radioteleeclair
Title of vid translates as MJC says he is not down with Caricom
Mar 13, 2024
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (AP) — A proposal to install new leadership in Haiti appeared to be crumbling Wednesday as some political parties rejected the plan to create a presidential council that would manage the transition.
The panel would be responsible for selecting an interim prime minister and a council of ministers that would attempt to chart a new path for the Caribbean country that has been overrun by gangs. The violence has closed schools and businesses and disrupted daily life across Haiti.
Jean Charles Moïse, an ex-senator and presidential candidate who has teamed up with former rebel leader Guy Philippe, held a news conference Wednesday to announce his rejection of the proposed council backed by the international community.
Moïse insisted that a three-person presidential council he recently created with Philippe and a Haitian judge should be implemented.
“We are not going to negotiate it,” he said in a loud voice as he wiped his forehead with a handkerchief. “We have to make them understand.”
His ally Philippe, who helped lead a successful revolt in 2004 against former President Jean-Bertrand Aristide and was recently released from a U.S. prison after pleading guilty to money laundering, said no Haitian should accept any proposal from the international community.
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LIVE | SENATEUR MOISE JEAN CHARLES DI LI PA NAN CARICOM !!
Mar 13, 2024
https://m.youtube.com/hashtag/radioteleeclair
Title of vid translates as MJC says he is not down with Caricom
Mar 13, 2024
Plan to install new leaders in Haiti appears to crumble after political parties reject it
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (AP) — A proposal to install new leadership in Haiti appeared to be crumbling Wednesday as some political parties rejected the plan to create a presidential council that would manage the transition.
The panel would be responsible for selecting an interim prime minister and a council of ministers that would attempt to chart a new path for the Caribbean country that has been overrun by gangs. The violence has closed schools and businesses and disrupted daily life across Haiti.
Jean Charles Moïse, an ex-senator and presidential candidate who has teamed up with former rebel leader Guy Philippe, held a news conference Wednesday to announce his rejection of the proposed council backed by the international community.
Moïse insisted that a three-person presidential council he recently created with Philippe and a Haitian judge should be implemented.
“We are not going to negotiate it,” he said in a loud voice as he wiped his forehead with a handkerchief. “We have to make them understand.”
His ally Philippe, who helped lead a successful revolt in 2004 against former President Jean-Bertrand Aristide and was recently released from a U.S. prison after pleading guilty to money laundering, said no Haitian should accept any proposal from the international community.
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get these nets
Veteran
*Henry refuses to just go away.
Mar 13, 2024
Haiti’s embattled Prime Minister Ariel Henry says his country’s constitution states that only he and his cabinet can appoint a council for the transition of power, Henry’s office told CNN exclusively on Wednesday.
After a meeting of regional Caribbean leaders on Monday, Henry agreed to leave power once a transitional council had been set up to lay the foundations for future elections, following weeks of violence in Haiti where social order has all but collapsed.
But Henry’s office told CNN that only he and his cabinet can appoint the transitional council and will not simply “deliver the country” to new leaders without following constitutional procedures.
“According to the Haitian constitution, only the prime minister with the cabinet can appoint the presenting council. Yes, the PM expresses his patriotic intentions to resign with his cabinet, but we have to do this in order,” special adviser to Prime Minister Ariel Henry, Jean Junior Joseph, told CNN.
“We will not deliver the country to just a group of people without following the procedure. We are in crisis as a country, but we must stay inside of the law and set a good example,” he added.
Henry’s office said Article 149 of Haiti’s constitution states that once the president is not available, only the ministerial cabinet possesses powers to make decisions in his absence.
“The council will have to go through the same process he went through when Ariel Henry became PM,” the statement said
Only Henry can sign off on Haiti’s transitional council, embattled PM’s office tells CNN
Mar 13, 2024
Haiti’s embattled Prime Minister Ariel Henry says his country’s constitution states that only he and his cabinet can appoint a council for the transition of power, Henry’s office told CNN exclusively on Wednesday.
After a meeting of regional Caribbean leaders on Monday, Henry agreed to leave power once a transitional council had been set up to lay the foundations for future elections, following weeks of violence in Haiti where social order has all but collapsed.
But Henry’s office told CNN that only he and his cabinet can appoint the transitional council and will not simply “deliver the country” to new leaders without following constitutional procedures.
“According to the Haitian constitution, only the prime minister with the cabinet can appoint the presenting council. Yes, the PM expresses his patriotic intentions to resign with his cabinet, but we have to do this in order,” special adviser to Prime Minister Ariel Henry, Jean Junior Joseph, told CNN.
“We will not deliver the country to just a group of people without following the procedure. We are in crisis as a country, but we must stay inside of the law and set a good example,” he added.
Henry’s office said Article 149 of Haiti’s constitution states that once the president is not available, only the ministerial cabinet possesses powers to make decisions in his absence.
“The council will have to go through the same process he went through when Ariel Henry became PM,” the statement said
*FULL press conference in Kreyol
LIVE | SENATEUR MOISE JEAN CHARLES DI LI PA NAN CARICOM !!
Mar 13, 2024
https://m.youtube.com/hashtag/radioteleeclair
Title of vid translates as MJC says he is not down with Caricom
Mar 13, 2024
Plan to install new leaders in Haiti appears to crumble after political parties reject it
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (AP) — A proposal to install new leadership in Haiti appeared to be crumbling Wednesday as some political parties rejected the plan to create a presidential council that would manage the transition.
The panel would be responsible for selecting an interim prime minister and a council of ministers that would attempt to chart a new path for the Caribbean country that has been overrun by gangs. The violence has closed schools and businesses and disrupted daily life across Haiti.
Jean Charles Moïse, an ex-senator and presidential candidate who has teamed up with former rebel leader Guy Philippe, held a news conference Wednesday to announce his rejection of the proposed council backed by the international community.
Moïse insisted that a three-person presidential council he recently created with Philippe and a Haitian judge should be implemented.
“We are not going to negotiate it,” he said in a loud voice as he wiped his forehead with a handkerchief. “We have to make them understand.”
His ally Philippe, who helped lead a successful revolt in 2004 against former President Jean-Bertrand Aristide and was recently released from a U.S. prison after pleading guilty to money laundering, said no Haitian should accept any proposal from the international community.
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I wonder what makes Moise feel his 3 man council should be the one to pick the next PM?
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Right.
They're making Haiti pay for overthrow their European overlords, literally.
It took them to 1947 to pay off the French
We occupied them 3x, propped up monsters like Papa Doc & Baby Doc, then overthrew their government AGAIN, 20 years ago because they didn't want a leftist to nationalize Haiti's resources.
Oh yeah, I also forgot when Bill Clinton ordered their crops to be destroyed so his brother Roger could sell them food.