Reports: President of Haiti Assassinated at Home
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To answer your direct question, it will be more informative and productive than this thread. People seem to have no problem engaging in online discussions about a topic, though.
South Florida is the center of the diaspora, and many of the people at the event are more directly plugged into what happens in Haiti than in other parts of the country. Why wouldn't I want to hear the opinions of people who are better informed than I am about a subject?
Also, consistent with my previous post about the prayer vigil, keeping my eye out for who the real organizations are, and what their approaches will be moving forward.
In crisis situations, true leaders emerge. The difference between the leaders and the pale/pale/run mouths will be evident in the weeks to come.
I haven't seen it. I didn't even know that happened. You got the link?
nah someone on Twitter posted the transcript from the press conference. I read it over the weekend. I’ll try to find it and post the link.
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No need for the passive-aggression. Like I said, it was a serious question. Because I don't know. But people being more plugged in, doesn't mean it's gonna be productive. How do you, I, or anyone else here know if those same people are part or work closely with the boujwa or elites? Or they've been on the govt's (US or Haiti) payroll? Are we getting propaganda or real information on Haiti and its problems?
More plugged in doesn't mean more informative or objective.
Random white dudes (American Representatives?) at the funeral gettin cursed out
"fukk you man, you killed Jovenel"
Notherners in Okap and Port-De-Paix are loyal to Jovenel unlike the people in Port-Au-Prince.
Thus why i was telling these cats like @JesusIsMySavior that were just buying everything @loyola had to sell on Jovenel that it's never that cut and dry in Haitian politics.
A lot of people tell me Jovenel himself wasn’t that bad but his political party (PHTK) are a bunch of thuggish bums so he’s therefore guilty by association at the very least. A lot of mofos are at least acting like they liked him but I bet half of them are the same mofos that we’re saying aba Jovenel and setting the city on fire just a few weeks ago
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I actually don't know what constitutes passive aggressive behavior online. Thought it was just another trendy buzzword.
I was just answering your question. This thread is an informal townhall with random people. Why wouldn't I follow a formal townhall with actual officials, actual journalists, and a (question asking)audience made up of pastors, activists, business people, students and other members of the diaspora?
There are too many competing factions and interests to believe that every panelist, media member is in on the same grand conspiracy. Again, audience members will be from different segments of the community. They will likely take questions, and Ayisyen are not there for fairy tales. Times are tense. As we both know, this townhall can turn left, and people might get run out of that room.
Your post implies that the moderators and the Haitian Americans in the audience will be gullible, and won't question/challenge the panelists.
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I haven't seen it. I didn't even know that happened. You got the link?
couldn't find dude's twitter account but here's the transcript.
Pentagon Press Secretary John F. Kirby Holds an Off-Camera Press Briefing > U.S. Department of Defense > Transcript
Q: Hi. Thank you.
My question has to do with the assassination in Haiti and the DOD's statement that some of the suspected people involved had received training from the U.S. military. Has there been anything in addition that the Defense Department has learned about potentially how many people, what -- what kind of training, things like that? And also, are those -- is that discovery and what happened in Haiti prompting the DOD to perhaps reevaluate or reconsider how it trains foreign militaries, or how it vets those who participate?
MR. KIRBY: So I think what we can confirm is thus far, we've identified seven individuals who were former members of the Colombian military that had received some sort of training and education, U.S.-funded and provided education and training. Some of it was under State Department funding and authorities, and some of -- some of the training was under DOD, Department of Defense-funded training.
But to you give an example of some of them that we've identified -- and -- and this isn't by individual. I'm not going to get into speaking to individuals, but cadet leadership development, counter-drug operations, noncommissioned officer professional development, small-unit leadership training, human rights training, emergency medical training, some helicopter maintenance training and those kinds of things -- all things that are very common. We train thousands of individuals, particularly from militaries in the Western hemisphere over the -- over the course of a given year, all training that is basic military and leadership training, as I just cited. And those examples I gave are actual examples of training we know that these seven individuals got -- nothing, certainly, related at all -- or -- or that one could extrapolate, you know, as leading to or encouraging of what happened in -- in Haiti. And I know of no plans right now, as a result of what happened in Haiti, for us to reconsider or to change this very valuable, ethical leadership training that we continue to provide to -- to partners in the Western hemisphere and to partners around the world.
Q: Is it correct that some of them were -- were trained at Fort Polk, or were some people trained elsewhere, or --
MR. KIRBY: I don't have the details of exactly where all this training went. You're talking about seven individuals over the course of their time in the -- in the Colombian military, and I just, I don't have the details of every base at which every training seminar was held, and frankly, I'm not really sure the relevance of that level of detail anyway.
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It's that last statement that really gets to me.
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JEAN LAGUEL CIVIL ARRESTED
Haitian President Moïse’s security chief is arrested | Miami Herald
Haiti
By Jacqueline Charles and
Kevin G. Hall
July 26, 2021 08:01 PM,
Updated 54 minutes ago
PORT-AU-PRINCE
Haitian authorities Monday arrested the coordinator of Haitian President Jovenel Moïse’s security, the man’s lawyer, Reynold Georges, confirmed to the Miami Herald.
Georges said he doesn’t know on what basis his client, Haiti National Police Divisional Commissioner Jean Laguel Civil, had been arrested, and “perhaps they will tell me tomorrow.”
Civil, who doesn’t control any troops in the president’s multi-layered security detail but oversees those who do, is among the individuals Moïse contacted in the middle of the night on July 7 after he heard shooting in the vicinity of his private residence.
At the time of his arrest, Civil had already been placed in solitary confinement under orders from judicial authorities, along with others responsible for the president’s security.
Civil’s arrest came on the same day that Haitian authorities announced that they have issued an arrest warrant for a member of the country’s highest court in the ongoing investigation into who killed Moïse.
Police released a wanted poster with the image of Supreme Court Justice Windelle Coq Thélot seeking information about her whereabouts but not spelling out why she is wanted in connection with the probe. In an arrest order, Thélot is accused of assassination, attempted assassination and armed robbery.
The accusations are largely the same as charges listed for several other Haitian nationals who are wanted in connection with the slaying of the president, and the government has presented little evidence to date to back up its arrest warrants.
Haitian government prosecutor Bedford Claude did not respond to a request for comment from the Miami Herald and the McClatchy Washington Bureau. The State Department, which sent a special envoy to Haiti over the weekend, also did not respond to a request for comment about the arrest warrant issued for the high-ranking member of Haiti’s judicial branch.
Thélot is the second high-court justice this year to be accused of involvement in a coup against Moïse, who was killed on July 7 in a middle-of-the night attack inside his private residence in the Pelerin 5 neighborhood of the capital.
Earlier this year, Supreme Court Justice Yvickel Dabrésil was accused of being part of an alleged plot to overthrow and kill Moïse after the judge and 17 other Haitians were arrested in the middle of the night while still in their pajamas.
Dabrésil denied the allegations and was eventually released on a technicality, given his status as a justice. He was later fired by Moïse after the president announced the forced retirement of Dabrésil and two other justices named by the opposition as potential presidential replacements, including Thélot.
The firing and the unconstitutional naming of three judicial replacements led to a rare rebuke of Moïse at the time by the Biden administration and members of the United Nations Security Council.
The arrest warrant for Thélot was made public on the same day that the country’s Superior Court of Auditors and Administrative Disputes was scheduled to hear an appeal in her firing by Moïse. Her whereabouts were not immediately known.
More than 20 people have been arrested including 18 Colombians and three Haitian nationals who lived in South Florida. But so far Haitian authorities have not said who bankrolled the assassination or what the motivation was behind the armed attack, which also left first lady Martine Moïse wounded.
Haitian President Moïse’s security chief is arrested | Miami Herald
Haiti
By Jacqueline Charles and
Kevin G. Hall
July 26, 2021 08:01 PM,
Updated 54 minutes ago
PORT-AU-PRINCE
Haitian authorities Monday arrested the coordinator of Haitian President Jovenel Moïse’s security, the man’s lawyer, Reynold Georges, confirmed to the Miami Herald.
Georges said he doesn’t know on what basis his client, Haiti National Police Divisional Commissioner Jean Laguel Civil, had been arrested, and “perhaps they will tell me tomorrow.”
Civil, who doesn’t control any troops in the president’s multi-layered security detail but oversees those who do, is among the individuals Moïse contacted in the middle of the night on July 7 after he heard shooting in the vicinity of his private residence.
At the time of his arrest, Civil had already been placed in solitary confinement under orders from judicial authorities, along with others responsible for the president’s security.
Civil’s arrest came on the same day that Haitian authorities announced that they have issued an arrest warrant for a member of the country’s highest court in the ongoing investigation into who killed Moïse.
Police released a wanted poster with the image of Supreme Court Justice Windelle Coq Thélot seeking information about her whereabouts but not spelling out why she is wanted in connection with the probe. In an arrest order, Thélot is accused of assassination, attempted assassination and armed robbery.
The accusations are largely the same as charges listed for several other Haitian nationals who are wanted in connection with the slaying of the president, and the government has presented little evidence to date to back up its arrest warrants.
Haitian government prosecutor Bedford Claude did not respond to a request for comment from the Miami Herald and the McClatchy Washington Bureau. The State Department, which sent a special envoy to Haiti over the weekend, also did not respond to a request for comment about the arrest warrant issued for the high-ranking member of Haiti’s judicial branch.
Thélot is the second high-court justice this year to be accused of involvement in a coup against Moïse, who was killed on July 7 in a middle-of-the night attack inside his private residence in the Pelerin 5 neighborhood of the capital.
Earlier this year, Supreme Court Justice Yvickel Dabrésil was accused of being part of an alleged plot to overthrow and kill Moïse after the judge and 17 other Haitians were arrested in the middle of the night while still in their pajamas.
Dabrésil denied the allegations and was eventually released on a technicality, given his status as a justice. He was later fired by Moïse after the president announced the forced retirement of Dabrésil and two other justices named by the opposition as potential presidential replacements, including Thélot.
The firing and the unconstitutional naming of three judicial replacements led to a rare rebuke of Moïse at the time by the Biden administration and members of the United Nations Security Council.
The arrest warrant for Thélot was made public on the same day that the country’s Superior Court of Auditors and Administrative Disputes was scheduled to hear an appeal in her firing by Moïse. Her whereabouts were not immediately known.
More than 20 people have been arrested including 18 Colombians and three Haitian nationals who lived in South Florida. But so far Haitian authorities have not said who bankrolled the assassination or what the motivation was behind the armed attack, which also left first lady Martine Moïse wounded.
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Mirin4rmfar
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So who will be the next president? Moise Jean-Charles as much as I can't forgive seems he was creating instability. I don't want someone that is rubbing shoulders with those siwolibanais. I also do not see the opposition party such as Andre Michel and the likes causing problems because I think the population will put hands on them.
The country needs a strong leader since it's obviously not safe to go against the status quo.
The country needs a strong leader since it's obviously not safe to go against the status quo.
Mirin4rmfar
Superstar
How sad that these songs still apply today 
.
"mesye pitye sispann piye"
At this point, if BBQ is willing to put these politicians, machann mikwo akek boujwa kap finance yo in bodybags, I would not mind. Enough is Enough.
. "mesye pitye sispann piye"
At this point, if BBQ is willing to put these politicians, machann mikwo akek boujwa kap finance yo in bodybags, I would not mind. Enough is Enough.
loyola llothta
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Where is Jovenel from? Stop it. Y’all nikkas sound stupid ass shyt like Trump supporters
Notherners in Okap and Port-De-Paix are loyal to Jovenel unlike the people in Port-Au-Prince.
Thus why i was telling these cats like @JesusIsMySavior that were just buying everything @loyola had to sell on Jovenel that it's never that cut and dry in Haitian politics.
A lot of people tell me Jovenel himself wasn’t that bad but his political party (PHTK) are a bunch of thuggish bums so he’s therefore guilty by association at the very least. A lot of mofos are at least acting like they liked him but I bet half of them are the same mofos that we’re saying aba Jovenel and setting the city on fire just a few weeks ago
Do you want me to post all the things Jovenel did and say? Unlike y’all I can post facts … can y’all?
Mirin4rmfar
Superstar
I would to if they were corrupt as fukk
with sole purpose was to block me from doing what was right for people.
How sad that these songs still apply today
"mesye pitye sispann piye"
At this point, if BBQ is willing to put these politicians, machann mikwo akek boujwa kap finance yo in bodybags, I would not mind. Enough is Enough.
R.I.P KING KESSY
I would to if they were corrupt as fukk