Reports: President of Haiti Assassinated at Home

[gho3st]

You mean the army whose leaders had private airports in their backyards where they received drug deliveries and which was responsible for 5 coups in 1988?
You can think of Aristide what you want, but creating death squads of former tonton macoutes and arming gangs in the slums to get rid of him and oppress his supporters is a destabilizing legacy of violence that Haiti still hasn't recovered from. And the reason he disbanded the army is that it was heavily involved in both.

And Aristide was not involved in it and getting kick backs from it in the late 90s and early 2000s?

 

[mson]

You a Lavalas nikka?


My whole family Haitian . You think you know Haiti more than me?

My whole family is Haitian and I disagree with you. Aristide is evil? Duvalier, Fraph, and Cedras are the ones you should be saying those things about.

Why are the Lebanese in Haiti?

I've addressed this twice in this thread already.

 

[karim]

And Aristide was not involved in it and getting kick backs from it in the late 90s and early 2000s?

Late 90's and early 2000's, when he needed funds to set up his own militias in order to respond to attempts to depose him. Yes, Aristide failed as president, but he is not the one responsible for the escalating violence. That's on the military, the US and the economic elite who saw that he had a mass movement behind him and wanted to prevent him from implementing redistributive policies. As a matter of fact, what happened in Haiti is more or less the same as what happened in Jamaica in the 70's: Left wing government in power, Right wing oligarchs and CIA banding together and arming gangs controlling the ghettos to destabilize the country, left wing government arming it's own gangs in response, chaos, violence and drug wars continuing long after the initial conflict is over.

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Damn the Haitian Pres was in his Trump shyt governing by decree’s or executive orders … Funny how no one ever touched Baby Doc tho

 

[ZoeGod]

You mean the army whose leaders had private airports in their backyards where they received drug deliveries and which was responsible for 5 coups in 1988?
You can think of Aristide what you want, but creating death squads of former tonton macoutes and arming gangs in the slums to get rid of him and oppress his supporters is a destabilizing legacy of violence that Haiti still hasn't recovered from. And the reason he disbanded the army is that it was heavily involved in both.

This created another problem because thousands of those men over night lost their job and pension. So what ended up happening they created gangs and militias. And it did him no good because those same ex military men still banded together under Guy Phillipe with he help of the US,Canada and France to overthrow him. He should have went the Chavez route and purged the military of all these guys. Arrest them, send them in exile etc. Then replace them with men who have the similar ideology as you.

 

[karim]

This created another problem because thousands of those men over night lost their job and pension. So what ended up happening they created gangs and militias. And it did him no good because those same ex military men still banded together under Guy Phillipe with he help of the US,Canada and France to overthrow him. He should have went the Chavez route and purged the military of all these guys. Arrest them, send them in exile etc. Then replace them with men who have the similar ideology as you.

Yes, but Chavez could do that because he was a military officer himself and had people loyal to him to replace the leadership with. Aristide tried to build up the police to replace the military, but the people he send to Ecuador to get trained came back and conspired against him. I don't know if there were any good solutions to be honest

 

[Armchair Militant]

Wild. Unless it was an inside job, that’s pretty embarrassing for a nation. How do you not have top-notch security at the President’s crib?

 

[newarkhiphop]

 

[newarkhiphop]

that Haitian news repoter dude (vlad) on CBS told the other white reporters that Haiti had to pay pay back the slave holders after they freed themselves and the reporters hit the

 

[3rdWorld]

Been checking the boards across the Black world..People wishing their own leaders get shot

 

[gho3st]

Late 90's and early 2000's, when he needed funds to set up his own militias in order to respond to attempts to depose him. Yes, Aristide failed as president, but he is not the one responsible for the escalating violence. That's on the military, the US and the economic elite who saw that he had a mass movement behind him and wanted to prevent him from implementing redistributive policies. As a matter of fact, what happened in Haiti is more or less the same as what happened in Jamaica in the 70's: Left wing government in power, Right wing oligarchs and CIA banding together and arming gangs controlling the ghettos to destabilize the country, left wing government arming it's own gangs in response, chaos, violence and drug wars continuing long after the initial conflict is over.

Yea? Do you know Who said these words? Do you know what followed after?
- “pa néglijé bayo sa yo mérité”
- “alon on bèl zouti sa. Zouti sa ou kwèl bèl”


Na fam you can’t defend Aristide to me. Nikka threatened to kill both my father and uncle lol.

 

[3rdWorld]

Haitian police chief says 4 suspects in Moïse's assassination have been killed

Catherine Garcia, Night editor
Thu, July 8, 2021, 3:51 AM

The presidential residence in Port-au-Prince. Valerie Baeriswyl/AFP via Getty Images

Four people suspected of assassinating Haitian President Jovenel Moïse early Wednesday morning were shot and killed by police on Wednesday night, Léon Charles, chief of the Haitian National Police, said.

Two other suspects have been arrested, Charles said, and three police officers held hostage by the suspects have been freed.

Moïse, 53, was gunned down in his Port-au-Prince home by assailants that Haitian Ambassador to the United States Bocchit Edmond said were dressed as U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration agents and speaking English and Spanish. He described the assassination as being "well orchestrated" and carried out by "foreign mercenaries and professional killers." Moïse's wife, first lady Martine Moïse, was wounded in the attack, and is now receiving medical treatment in Florida. She is in stable but critical condition.

Haiti is one of the poorest countries in the world, and is dealing with an increase in gang violence, high inflation, and daily protests. In January 2020, Moïse dissolved parliament and ruled by decree, and opponents accused him of becoming an authoritarian. Claude Joseph, who announced Moïse's death to the country, is serving as Haiti's interim prime minister; Moïse had dismissed Joseph, and was set to install Ariel Henry as the Haitian prime minister on Wednesday.

 

[CASHAPP]

Wild. Unless it was an inside job, that’s pretty embarrassing for a nation. How do you not have top-notch security at the President’s crib?

And this is why I'm definitely thinking it must have been an inside job.

Yes any leader including in first world nations can be touched, however, even if something goes down, the President's security...at least some of them have to go down also if they are fighting to protect them...

But notice how in this story we have not heard anything of the sort at all, we need more details. I refuse to believe that after hearing the silly ruse about the shooters being DEA and to put their guns down that all the security did so at once.

Haiti hasn't said anything about them fighting back and them losing any of their own men, what is going on? Then lets remember they didn't just kill the President but his wife was critically injured also

First time we heard of a shootout was yesterday when they caught the gunmen...but not a shootout when Jovenal was actually killed

Man If the security was sleeping at this time....

 

[karim]

Yea? Do you know Who said these words? Do you know what followed after?
- “pa néglijé bayo sa yo mérité”
- “alon on bèl zouti sa. Zouti sa ou kwèl bèl”


Na fam you can’t defend Aristide to me. Nikka threatened to kill both my father and uncle lol.

So you're a Fraph guy, I'm sure your opinion is unbiased. Anyways, I'm not defending Aristide, I'm explaining the roots of violence and instability in Haiti and he's not the one who started it

 

[get these nets]

Been checking the boards across the Black world..People wishing their own leaders get shot

What you're hearing is frustration with incompetent/corrupt leadership.

There are a lot of members here whose families are from developing countries. A handfull of them (us) are pretty candid about the current political/economic realities in those places and what leadership IS and ISN'T doing about it.
In the West, there are safeguards in place to limit the damage an incompetent leader can cause.
In the developing world, leaders often trample any such checks and their incompetence or corruption leads to misery, deprivation, and deaths of regular people.

Only so long that suffering people can put up those conditions.

What you're hearing is people wanting a change. The loudest voices are the ones calling for extreme measures for change.