Report: Vince & HHH agree on plans for WM31

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Obviously guys like Cesaroand especially Daniel Bryan can outperform Roman but Roman has a stronger presence and instincts for popping the crowd which is not something you can teach and is a quality you want in a top guy.

This sentence is absolute bullshyt

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

You make a good point, that Roman Reigns is not over like that but on the other hand The Rock and Austin are once in a lifetime level guys that just so happened to come through at the same time. Gotta take that into consideration.

Even if Daniel Bryan was on Austin/Rock level, he's just one guy and the way the whole product is being handled is so I can't really agree with dudes wondering why CM Punk or DBry can't do Attitude Era numbers. The product just isn't there, so there's no way for one guy to take it there.

Roman has a ways to go, but exactly as you say now he's "not awful" and I believe he has a good foundation to build on.

Either way, I think Dean Ambrose has more potential from what I've seen so far.

i don't disagree with anything you just said. there's only one thing worse than having a weak roster and that's weak management. even if they did have a once in a lifetime type talent on their hands right now i'm not even sure they would know what to do with it anyways. look at how poorly they capitalized on the cm punk pipe bomb fiasco. that was the most buzz they had in years and they ran it right into the ground in only a few short months.

it's a different ballgame though. it ain't like the old days. it's a publicly traded company now. it ain't just vince runnin the show. they got suits to answer to and shyt. the show isn't as pure. shyt probably goes on behind the scenes that we're not even aware of. for all we know vince and co. are pullin their hair out over this shyt and feel like their hands are tied. who knows.

 

[DANJ!]

more like the wwe needs to give people time to develop.

you just said it, he doesn't have it yet. so why is he so high on the card?

i'm not big on reigns at all but i would hate him a lot less if he weren't being shoved down my throat.

Y'all hate everybody they push tho'. The only ones y'all seem to love are the ones y'all think are being held back by the evil Authority and not being given a shot to prove they're main event worthy. When Roman Reigns was whoopin' ass at Survivor Series and the Rumble, everybody was on his shyt. Now that the push went into full effect, it's "noooo, he ain't got it, he ain't ready to be no main eventer!". If it wasn't him and it was Ambrose, the same thing would be happening. At this rate, he's sure to be the top guy sooner than later, cause everybody knows you ain't REALLY on top til the internet guys don't want you to be.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Y'all hate everybody they push tho'. The only ones y'all seem to love are the ones y'all think are being held back by the evil Authority and not being given a shot to prove they're main event worthy. When Roman Reigns was whoopin' ass at Survivor Series and the Rumble, everybody was on his shyt. Now that the push went into full effect, it's "noooo, he ain't got it, he ain't ready to be no main eventer!". If it wasn't him and it was Ambrose, the same thing would be happening. At this rate, he's sure to be the top guy sooner than later, cause everybody knows you ain't REALLY on top til the internet guys don't want you to be.

well for one you ain't gotta lump me in with the rest of the iwc. i was never big on reigns and always viewed him as a glorified role player.

and honestly if you ask me the next "top guy", the next "cena"... isn't on the roster right now.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Yeah title was defended atleast 3 times a month back then. Every match was pretty much a title match. There was always a chance of somebody losing a belt. That was like the key to the first promo of the night... "And tonight Austin you will be defending you title against blah blah blah..." *crowd cheers*

TBH I really cant remember to many shows where it wasn't defended, barring a tag match, or #1 contender match, that led to a title match on the NEXT Raw, but usually last match of the night was almost ALWAYS a title match. shyt we had Hell in a Cell's and Inferno Matches for free back then.

Alot of ya'll young nikkas be fronting like ya'll was bout that Attitude Era life, but ya'll seen it thru youtube and doc's... storys dont be matching up.

Man.... Maybe you're right!! But I swear I don't remember Austin, HHH, Rock, Taker, etc defending the title on a consistent consequetive basis back that...... But who knows

 

[DANJ!]

and honestly if you ask me the next "top guy", next "cena"... isn't on the roster right now.

How can you really call that tho'... I think Bryan could be if his neck hadn't fukked up at theeee worst possible time. Hemay not have looked like what is usually the franchise WWE guy, but that "YES" shyt was and still is MONEY. I believe he still could be that guy if he makes a full recovery. There's no way to really say the potential next top star isn't on the roster cause it can happen quickly. I'm positive nobody in 1996 believed Steve Austin was gonna be the man to cause a boom period just two years later.

I do like that they're deciding to move forward from the Cena thing tho'... he's really done all there is to do (except, "that"). And I do think the best move is to create a new circle of top stars so it's not just one guy and then everybody else. 31 would be a great time to do this, preferably by having all of them face the recent top stars... if it was me, I'd have it be Bryan (if he's back) vs Lesnar, Reigns vs HHH, Rollins vs Orton... and if Taker is even considering coming back, finally do that Cena/Taker match before they dont have that option.

 

[El Cocodrilo]

This sentence is absolute bullshyt

How so?

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

How so?

Roman Reigns aka Samoan Sheamus has a stronger presence and instincts for popping the crowd than Daniel Bryan, one of the most over and crowd-adored wrestlers of all time?

 

[El Cocodrilo]

Roman Reigns aka Samoan Sheamus has a stronger presence and instincts for popping the crowd than Daniel Bryan, one of the most over and crowd-adored wrestlers of all time?

ah, poor sentence structure on my end mane

I meant Roman has better presence, which I do believe. Besides that I think he has instincts for popping the crowd, but not better than DBry. Better than any other IWC-beloved wrestlers though, yes.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

How can you really call that tho'... I think Bryan could be if his neck hadn't fukked up at theeee worst possible time. Hemay not have looked like what is usually the franchise WWE guy, but that "YES" shyt was and still is MONEY. I believe he still could be that guy if he makes a full recovery. There's no way to really say the potential next top star isn't on the roster cause it can happen quickly. I'm positive nobody in 1996 believed Steve Austin was gonna be the man to cause a boom period just two years later.

I do like that they're deciding to move forward from the Cena thing tho'... he's really done all there is to do (except, "that"). And I do think the best move is to create a new circle of top stars so it's not just one guy and then everybody else. 31 would be a great time to do this, preferably by having all of them face the recent top stars... if it was me, I'd have it be Bryan (if he's back) vs Lesnar, Reigns vs HHH, Rollins vs Orton... and if Taker is even considering coming back, finally do that Cena/Taker match before they dont have that option.

that's his whole act though. once they gave him the ball he got exposed. each and every time he went out to that ring he would get completely swallowed in the moment and fall back on the yes chant. if the live crowds didn't like chanting so much i'm not exactly sure what else there would be about the guy to get behind. he's literally become a one trick pony.

and i'm not tryna shyt on the dude cause he has really good matches and i do think he's talented... i just don't think he should be positioned as a franchise player.

and yea call me old fashioned if you must but i don't think you're ever gonna see a top guy on the same level of a hogan/austin/rock/cena unless you're a heavyweight. i don't make the rules that's just the way it is. big and strong muscular gladiator types are always gonna be a bigger draw than some average looking dude. plus in this corporate era you also gotta be someone that's palatable for the masses. someone that soccer moms are gonna wanna fukk. so until they can find a suitable replacement you better get used to cena.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Y'all hate everybody they push tho'. The only ones y'all seem to love are the ones y'all think are being held back by the evil Authority and not being given a shot to prove they're main event worthy. When Roman Reigns was whoopin' ass at Survivor Series and the Rumble, everybody was on his shyt. Now that the push went into full effect, it's "noooo, he ain't got it, he ain't ready to be no main eventer!". If it wasn't him and it was Ambrose, the same thing would be happening. At this rate, he's sure to be the top guy sooner than later, cause everybody knows you ain't REALLY on top til the internet guys don't want you to be.

More bullshyt.

Roman Reigns has always been the least talented member of the Shield. Easily last place in both the ring and on the mic. To claim that fans just bytch about anyone they push is not only completely false but also an attempt to let the company off the hook for continuing shytty practices and booking that caters to marks and wrestlefags.

If Ambrose (or Cesaro, Rollins, Ziggler) was in Reigns spot as he should be instead of being taken off tv because he's too over, fans would NOT have the same reaction. People arent against it because he's being pushed. They're against it because he's being pushed over better options. Push the best option, problem solved.

 

[DANJ!]

More bullshyt.

Roman Reigns has always been the least talented member of the Shield. Easily last place in both the ring and on the mic. To claim that fans just bytch about anyone they push is not only completely false but also an attempt to let the company off the hook for continuing shytty practices and booking that caters to marks and wrestlefags.

If Ambrose (or Cesaro, Rollins, Ziggler) was in Reigns spot as he should be instead of being taken off tv because he's too over, fans would NOT have the same reaction. People arent against it because he's being pushed. They're against it because he's being pushed over better options. Push the best option, problem solved.

"taken off TV cause he's too over"... who told you that breuh ... muhfukka's been off Raw for a week doin' an injury angle, so it's part of a conspiracy to kill his buzz right? I mean realistically, if a muhfukka stomped ur head into a pile of cinderblocks you'd be dead, so in wrestling terms, you at least need a couple weeks to heal. So if he comes back on Monday, is the conspiracy over?

Either way, what happens with Reigns is still in the air, but let's not act like you gotta be the workrate king to be the fukkin' guy. When the crowd was on Reigns dikk for dominating the Rumble and Survivor Series, it ain't cause he put on a work classic. Crowds and PAYING customers are into things they can cheer for. Whether its great workrate, a YES chant, a big flying punch... it's not an exclusive thing that you can only be good enough to put on a 20-minute five star classic to be a main eventer. And we can say Reigns ain't this or that right now... but neither was Batista in September '04. Over as fukk by March '05 tho'.

 

[Kidd Dibiase]

Dude has a point, yall can talk about having great matches and work rate all you want, but whens the last time WWE had a technical wrestler as the face of the company. The guys who's gonna be getting tv spots, movie spots and red carpets definitely aint gonna be the Cesaro's of the world.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

that's his whole act though. once they gave him the ball he got exposed. each and every time he went out to that ring he would get completely swallowed in the moment and fall back on the yes chant. if the live crowds didn't like chanting so much i'm not exactly sure what else there would be about the guy to get behind. he's literally become a one trick pony.

and i'm not tryna shyt on the dude cause he has really good matches and i do think he's talented... i just don't think he should be positioned as a franchise player.

and yea call me old fashioned if you must but i don't think you're ever gonna see a top guy on the same level of a hogan/austin/rock/cena unless you're a heavyweight. i don't make the rules that's just the way it is. big and strong muscular gladiator types are always gonna be a bigger draw than some average looking dude. plus in this corporate era you also gotta be someone that's palatable for the masses. someone that soccer moms are gonna wanna fukk. so until they can find a suitable replacement you better get used to cena.

I like how you just casually throw Stone Cold in there as if he fit that mold.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

I like how you just casually throw Stone Cold in there as if he fit that mold.

what are you talkin about?