Remember The Time When The Basketball Media Almost Gave LeBron A Finals MVP After Losing 4-2

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NOW U JUS PUTTIN WORDS IN MY MOUTH .. IM SIMPLY SAYIN LEBRON WAS SUBPAR ON OFFENSE. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HIM BEIN SELFISH. FACT OF THE MATTER IS, HE NEEDS MORE HELP TO BE EFFICIENT. PERIOD.


Was he inefficient leading the Cavs to the finals in 07?? You just ignoring team chemistry and injury?? I'm just going to do it. Let me know when Kobe leads Smush to the finals :snooze:

Let me know when LeBron goes 8-21 in an elimination game in a finals and you:stylin:

Let me know when Massa Phil gotta restore balance for LeBron

Let me know when Mike Brown isn't the best coach LeBron ever had

Let me know when young LeBron had a beast like Shaq....

You are speaking from a narrative stand point.. Just stop.. LeBron on 39% pushed Golden Statw to 6 simply based on his effort and inefficient play... Stop being and playing stupid..
 

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Was he inefficient leading the Cavs to the finals in 07?? You just ignoring team chemistry and injury?? I'm just going to do it. Let me know when Kobe leads Smush to the finals :snooze:

Let me know when LeBron goes 8-21 in an elimination game in a finals and you:stylin:

Let me know when Massa Phil gotta restore balance for LeBron

Let me know when Mike Brown isn't the best coach LeBron ever had

Let me know when young LeBron had a beast like Shaq....

You are speaking from a narrative stand point.. Just stop.. LeBron on 39% pushed Golden Statw to 6 simply based on his effort and inefficient play... Stop being and playing stupid..


I DUNO WHY U BRINGIN UP KOBE, U SOUNDIN HELLA INSECURE BRUH

LEME KNOW WHEN LEBRON WINS WITOUT 2 ALLSTARS ON HIS SIDE

LEBRON WOULD NEVER REPEAT WIT PAU AS THE SECOND BEST PLAYER ON HIS TEAM, N WE ALL KNOW THAT.. ESPECIALLY NOT IN THE WEST.
 

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WTF? If anything iggy shouldn't have won, having to give to the award to a player on the winning team is even more stupid than to actually give it to the most valuable player in the series.
 

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It would help if you actually looked at his shooting percentages when Iggy was his primary defender, and not just throw a bunch of stats at the page.
post them then. :sas1:

Because if Iggy was shutting him down and Lebron still managed to post those outrageous numbers it means one of two things:

Golden State's other defenders are complete trash. :sas2:

Or Steve Kerr is a horrific coach for not putting a defender who could shut down the best player in the game on him more often. :sas2:

So which is it?
Or are you just gonna make another snarky comment without answering the question?

:sas2:

My bet is the last one.
 
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post them then. :sas1:.




2015 Finals -
'Iggy' makes LeBron's shooting iffy

Kawhi Leonard in the 2014 NBA Finals and Jimmy Butler in this year’s conference semifinals come to mind as among the toughest in the NBA.

But Golden State Warriors forward Andre Iguodala has done a better job guarding James than either of them, as you can see in the chart on the right. James is 18-of-54 against Iguodala in this series, and Iguodala's defense has been particularly good the past two games.

We know Iguodala has been effective. How is he doing it?


Contesting shots and contesting them hard


When James has been able to shake free, he’s been great. On uncontested looks when guarded by Iguodala, James is shooting 88 percent. The problem for James is Iguodala isn’t letting him get free often.

Of James' 54 shots when guarded by Iguodala, eight have been uncontested. Although James is 7-of-8 on open looks when guarded by Iguodala, he is 11-of-46 on contested shots when guarded by Iguodala.

Although it’s possible James has just been unlucky against Iguodala, it’s also within reason to say that not all contested shots are created equal.

On shots contested by Iguodala, James is shooting 24 percent from the field. On shots contested by anyone else, James is shooting 41 percent. Eighty-five percent of his shots when guarded by Iguodala have been contested, whereas 78 percent of his attempts guarded by anyone else have been contested. The average distance of those shots has been the same.

So in short, Iguodala is contesting James' shots more often and having more success when contesting those shots, despite them coming from the same distance (an average of 11 feet).

Not switching off James

When Iguodala starts a possession on James, the Cavaliers have rarely gotten him to switch off. Iguodala has started on James 90 times, and the Cavaliers have forced him to switch 18 times (20 percent).

But when they have, James is not taking advantage.

Over the past three games, there have been 13 instances in which Iguodala has switched off James after starting the possession on him.

James is 2-for-11 with a turnover on those possessions.

Not letting him free

Iguodala is not letting James get good looks off the ball, either.

Consider this: James has made 18 shots when guarded by Iguodala. Two of those 18 have been assisted.

James has made 32 shots when guarded by anyone else. Twelve of those 32 have been assisted.

On assist opportunities by his teammates, James is delivering. He's shooting 14-of-18 from the field directly off passes.

Those opportunities do not happen when James is guarded by Iguodala.

On the 74 plays James has been guarded by Iguodala, James has shot the ball when a teammate had an assist opportunity twice.

On 93 plays when James has been guarded by anyone else, there have been 16 instances in which a teammate had an assist opportunity.

That means that either Iguodala is not letting James get open off the ball or that when James gets the ball when guarded by Iguodala, he’s taking his time and trying to go one-on-one in isolation.

2016 Finals -

LeBron was shooting in the low 40% when Iggy was his primary defender through the first four games, then Draymond was suspended in G5 (Iggy relies on him to provide help and be the pillar for the scheme), and when he returned in G6, Iggy fukked his back prior to the game and was never really the same. It's no coincidence that LeBron only started to get hot in the games when Draymond was out and Iggy hurt his back.
Because if Iggy was shutting him down and Lebron still managed to post those outrageous numbers it means one of two things:

Golden State's other defenders are complete trash. :sas2:

Or Steve Kerr is a horrific coach for not putting a defender who could shut down the best player in the game on him more often. :sas2:

So which is it?
Here's the thing - you can't stop an elite scorer from scoring altogether, they're still going to find ways to score; either through transition, LOA, miscues on defense and through the flow of offensive runs. Did Iggy lock him up when he was healthy, in a general sense? Yes. But he didn't do it alone.

Nevertheless I don't know why you posted numbers from last season's Finals when Iggy didn't win FMVP in 2016. And I don't know why you'd post his assist, rebound, steal and block #s either, what do they really have to do with his primary defender? We really need to stop referencing the box score in this manner.
Or are you just gonna make another snarky comment without answering the question?

:sas2:

My bet is the last one.
Looks like you lost that bet.

:sas1:
 

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2015 Finals -


2016 Finals -

LeBron was shooting in the low 40% when Iggy was his primary defender through the first four games, then Draymond was suspended in G5 (Iggy relies on him to provide help and be the pillar for the scheme), and when he returned in G6, Iggy fukked his back prior to the game and was never really the same. It's no coincidence that LeBron only started to get hot in the games when Draymond was out and Iggy hurt his back.

Here's the thing - you can't stop an elite scorer from scoring altogether, they're still going to find ways to score; either through transition, LOA, miscues on defense and through the flow of offensive runs. Did Iggy lock him up when he was healthy, in a general sense? Yes. But he didn't do it alone.

Nevertheless I don't know why you posted numbers from last season's Finals when Iggy didn't win FMVP in 2016. And I don't know why you'd post his assist, rebound, steal and block #s either, what do they really have to do with his primary defender? We really need to stop referencing the box score in this manner.

Looks like you lost that bet.

:sas1:


So it was option 2

:ehh:
Or Steve Kerr is a horrific coach for not putting a defender who could shut down the best player in the game on him more often. :sas2:
 

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Did you not read what I posted?
Yes.
But here's the thing.

Lebron still put up godlike numbers in both series.
And as you wrote, he did it against a lot of defensive help and attention.

You don't get to casually throw to the side the notion that no elite player can be stopped altogether.

If the defensive impact of Iguodala was so huge as to make a noticeable difference in the Cav's effectiveness, then only a moron would not exploit that to the maximum capacity possible.

And I'm getting real real tired of you making injury excuses for EVERY Warriors player but dismissing the injury impact of hurt players on other teams across the NBA.
 
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Yes.
But here's the thing.

Lebron still put up godlike numbers in both series.
Except he didn't. His shooting percentages when Iggy was guarding him state otherwise. Don't confuse volume with being "godlike" - he put up 33 shots to average 36 points in the '15 Finals.
And as you wrote, he did it against a lot of defensive help and attention.
He didn't really.

Most of the time they'd just leave Iggy on him solo with Draymond either helping from time to time, or staying near the paint to help if Bron got past Iggy. It wasn't anything like the defensive attention/help that Curry received. We've seen in both Finals', the Cavs simply letting the role players take open shots instead of letting Curry develop rhythm.
You don't get to casually throw to the side the notion that no elite player can be stopped altogether.

If the defensive impact of Iguodala was so huge as to make a noticeable difference in the Cav's effectiveness, then only a moron would not exploit that to the maximum capacity possible.
Go and read my original post properly.
And I'm getting real real tired of you making injury excuses for EVERY Warriors player but dismissing the injury impact of hurt players on other teams across the NBA.
:dwillhuh:

What in the fukk are you talking about? How am I making excuses for every Warriors player (where in this thread am I making excuses for any player?)? And how am I dismissing the injury impact of hurt players on other teams across the NBA? Explain to me how I'm doing this. It seems every time I converse with you, you're either making up some nonsense or deflecting from the argument at hand.
 

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Except he didn't. His shooting percentages when Iggy was guarding him state otherwise. Don't confuse volume with being "godlike".

He didn't really.

Most of the time they'd just leave Iggy on him solo with Draymond either helping from time to time, or staying near the paint to help if Bron got past Iggy. It wasn't anything like the defensive attention/help that Curry received. We've seen in both Finals', the Cavs simply letting the role players take open shots, instead of letting Curry develop rhythm.

Go and read my original post properly.

:dwillhuh:

What in the fukk are you talking about? How am I making excuses for every Warriors player (where in this post am I making excuses for any player?)? And how am I dismissing the injury impact of hurt players on other teams across the NBA? Explain to me how I'm doing this. It seems every time I converse with you, you're either making up some nonsense or deflecting from the argument at hand.
Aight b
 

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It wouldn't have been complete out of pocket to give Bron the MVP of that finals, dude singlehandedly carries the Cavs that series. I mean come on, Dellavedova was his friggin point guard.
 

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Bron had big stats but that was becasue the warriors basically let him get his knowing that he wasnt gonna score enough to beat them 4 out of 7 games. They were right.
 
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