Religious folk, do you literally interpret the Bible, Quran, Torah?

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So I'm an idiot for having a civil discussion? It's not a win/ loss thing to me, not trying to change any minds.. Just having a discussion.

stop copping pleas and backtracking saying how "you're being civil"

fukk that.

You're an idiot.

You don't know anything about philosophy.

You throw logic to the fukking wind.

And you DAMN sure don't know anything about modern biology or chemistry.

I'll TAKE PRIDE in shutting you the hell up and correcting you at every turn.

You've shown yourself to be overly arrogant and unwilling to LEARN what every fukking school child in public/private must know to at least obtain a high school degree and what our modern society rests on as established and confirmed and provable methodology in biology and chemistry etc.

You're an ass...but thats ok.

Today, you're going to learn about all the shyt you didn't pay attention to school.

It'll be tough. It'll shake your roots. But thats not my problem. Its yours.
 

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@jsmiller Look at the Google Doodle today.

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AINT NO REASON to not know basic fukking biology or genetics today.
 

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And now I will address that Gawd-awful :heh: story of the "Original Sin" which you have already stated was literal.

So we have this "omni-max" (all knowing, all powerful, all benevolent) god create the universe in 6 days, he creates earth and everything on it, including humans, he creates a woman from the man's rib.....he creates a tree of knowledge of good and evil AND a tree of everlasting life. He puts both trees in the garden where the newly formed humans are and tells them they can eat of any tree in the garden except the tree of knowledge of good and evil or they shall surely die in that day they eat.

Lets look at this with a critical eye. There's a tree of knowledge of good and evil that as we read on gives knowledge of good and evil. What does that say about Adam and Eve? It says that if they needed to eat from the tree in order to get that knowledge that they didnt already have it. Your god made them into fukkin bafoons, NOT into rational intelligent beings capable of critical thought; hell they didnt even know what good and evil was, and god said it was "good." Now there is also a tree in the garden which gives everlasting life. What does this say? It says that Adam and Eve were going to die, otherwise there would be no need for a tree to dispense eternal life. Lets go back to the story.

Yahweh also puts a serpent in the garden; this serpent comes to Eve and asks Eve if Yahweh said they couldnt eat from every tree in the garden. He then presents her with a fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and Eve saw that it was good for food, pleasing to the eye, and that it would give her knowledge (she gave him brains in return she had to drop out of college). The serpent told her that she would NOT surely die and that she would become like Yahweh. So she ate the fruit and gave some to her dimwitted mate.

Notice that the serpent did not threaten her or force her to do anything. He simply gave her information and allowed her to decide.

So now "the lord" is walking through the garden and cant find Adam, and has to ask if he has eaten from the tree (some omnimax). He states that the man has become like one of US (a remnant to the old poly theistic religion they stole the story from), knowing good and evil. He also kicks them out of the garden and placed swords to guard the tree of everlasting life so they could not eat of it and live forever. A&E apparently go on to live hundreds of years and have children, and DONT die in the day they ate the fruit.

Now, surely you see all the problems here. First, since Yahweh (actually Elohim, not Yahweh) made them into idiots, how would they know that disobeying was eveil? Would they even know what disobeying is? Does your dog or cat disobey you, do they know of good and evil? How can an omni benevolent god punish them for not knowing something that HE MADE SURE THEY DIDNT KNOW? Secondly, they did not die in the day they ate the fruit, and they became like god, even god said it. So the devil actually told the truth, it was god that lied. The serpent was actually responsible for giving humanity the traits you identify with humanity today, god made people no more than unaware animals. Finally, obviously the result of sin was not death, because they were going to die anyways, or else they wouldnt have needed to eat from the tree of life to live forever and god wouldnt have had to kick them out of the garden to prevent it.

If you believe that story is literal there is nothing I can do for you, you are lost. But even further, if the story is NOT literal then this whole Jesus stuff that Christians rest their hats on is purposeless. A myth, like the rest of the book.
 

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Not interested in an ego fest.
I was under the assumption we were going to have a civil discussion, but anything said that doesn't align with the atheist pov is countered with pejoratives and ridicule. Like I said, I didn't enter the discussion to convert anyone or win an argument, I just enjoy a good conversation. But I see the intent here is to satisfy intellectual pride.
If someone wanted to discuss their belief in leprechauns with me I'd still approach the conversation with charity no matter how asinine I may think their belief is.
I think a few here could learn a thing or two about humility.
I'll gracefully bow out..
 

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Not interested in an ego fest.
I was under the assumption we were going to have a civil discussion, but anything said that doesn't align with the atheist pov is countered with pejoratives and ridicule. Like I said, I didn't enter the discussion to convert anyone or win an argument, I just enjoy a good conversation. But I see the intent here is to satisfy intellectual pride.
If someone wanted to discuss their belief in leprechauns with me I'd still approach the conversation with charity no matter how asinine I may think their belief is.
I think a few here could learn a thing or two about humility.
I'll gracefully bow out..
Cop out. I see. This is the usual course of action when a belief is shown to be flat out wrong. Typical.
 

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I'm not one of those immature posters that will slam you for grammatical era's but just to point out its Quran not Koran

I was raised as a Christian. But over the past few years I've became more Conscious about what I was taught questioning and researching everything especially with religion.

I think the most important aspect of Religion is Language. Once you understand and can interpret the original languages of certain Canon's then you'd have a better understanding in my opinion
its language and context(culture of the people writing it, culture of the people they were writing to AT THE TIME it was being written).

simple example. young black people in the 80's were saying "Yo, that was FRESH or DEF, or DOPE"

white people in the 50's saying something was fresh was only meaning it was NEW. "thats a FRESH idead". not that the idea is GREAT, but its a NEW idea. or that lettuce is FRESH (NEW). similar meanings, but used slightly differently. the manner in which black folks used it in the 80's didnt just mean something was NEW. it also meant something was GREAT.

or "Yo..thats SICK" "thats ill"

Older black folks in the 80's didnt even know what the youngins were talking about back then. ill meant sick, sick meant ill. sick and ill were bad things. not good things.

ill and sick to youngins in the 80's, 90's, so forth. meant something was GREAT.

now those same old heads in the 80's knew something was BAD, meant it was good, depending on the context of the conversation. mjacks "I'm BAD" old and young knew what that meant.

its all about context, culture, and language.
 

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How can it be the word of God but not meant to be taken literally? That always perplexed me. They'd probably kill you back in the day for telling people not to take it literally, as well.
uh certain parts of the bible were not intended to be taken literally. some were used as analogies. so sure to some degree you were supposed to take those analogies and used them to forge your life as a righteous person. some of those things were intended to be taken literally.
 

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uh certain parts of the bible were not intended to be taken literally. some were used as analogies. so sure to some degree you were supposed to take those analogies and used them to forge your life as a righteous person. some of those things were intended to be taken literally.
How do you know which parts are meant to be taken literally and which aren't? If it's the word of God why would he speak in metaphors and analogies? Can't he just say what he means and means what he says?
 

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its language and context(culture of the people writing it, culture of the people they were writing to AT THE TIME it was being written).

simple example. young black people in the 80's were saying "Yo, that was FRESH or DEF, or DOPE"

white people in the 50's saying something was fresh was only meaning it was NEW. "thats a FRESH idead". not that the idea is GREAT, but its a NEW idea. or that lettuce is FRESH (NEW). similar meanings, but used slightly differently. the manner in which black folks used it in the 80's didnt just mean something was NEW. it also meant something was GREAT.

or "Yo..thats SICK" "thats ill"

Older black folks in the 80's didnt even know what the youngins were talking about back then. ill meant sick, sick meant ill. sick and ill were bad things. not good things.

ill and sick to youngins in the 80's, 90's, so forth. meant something was GREAT.

now those same old heads in the 80's knew something was BAD, meant it was good, depending on the context of the conversation. mjacks "I'm BAD" old and young knew what that meant.

its all about context, culture, and language.
Then an all knowing god would pick a better method to relay his only interaction with the world? Your post shows that it is man made and limited to the people of the time. Certainly worthless to us today. And thus not an important message from "god" to humanity.
 

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i'd like to join this discussion, but it always comes to a dead end when religious folk fall back on the word "faith".

and in a sense i'm a also hypocrite since i'm agnostic. :manny:
 
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