Refuting the myth that Black American music/culture is "Europeanized".

[Carter G. Hoodson]

I don't believe anyone has made the accusation of black music being europeanize. The issue has always been todays artists of any so called black genre moving away from the sound that made our music prominent in previous decades. The same music that we as a ppl has cast aside, the new european artists have found their niche of a sound we choose to toss away. Today's so called black music isn't europeanize, it's just horrible music.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

me and her used to go back and forth all the time with this

Heh.. Most of missed it. There use to be a shyt ton of beefs on nairaland. Thats what I missed out the old Nairaland now its


Remember that poster named "Royals" use to get beef with literally everyone.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

I don't believe anyone has made the accusation of black music being europeanize. The issue has always been todays artists of any so called black genre moving away from the sound that made our music prominent in previous decades. The same music that we as a ppl has cast aside, the new european artists have found their niche of a sound we choose to toss away. Today's so called black music isn't europeanize, it's just horrible music.

We're not just talking about music....

 

[Carter G. Hoodson]

We're not just talking about music....

Here in the U.S. or Worldly?

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Here in the U.S. or Worldly?

Here in the USA.

 

[Carter G. Hoodson]

Here in the USA.

Depends on what you perceive as European Culture. European Culture has nothing more been full of lies, treachery and murder. European culture has been the worst representation of a system or culture the world has ever known in its existence. Here in Americas Blacks have adopted the European model. If you don't believe me, go tell that young brother who's in a line 3 blocks away to not buy those Jordans because that money doesn't circulate back into their community. Go tell that young brother the reason he cannot read is because of a educational system built by your ancestors oppressors who's main go is to teach you nothing. Go tell that young sista that perming her hair is the direct result of trying to live up to that white standard that dictates what beauty should look like. The European savages still till this day have minds of our people brains washed. You adopt their culture by default.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Depends on what you perceive as European Culture. European Culture has nothing more been full of lies, treachery and murder. European culture has been the worst representation of a system or culture the world has ever known in its existence. Here in Americas Blacks have adopted the European model. If you don't believe me, go tell that young brother who's in a line 3 blocks away to not buy those Jordans because that money doesn't circulate back into their community. Go tell that young brother the reason he cannot read is because of a educational system built by your ancestors oppressors who's main go is to teach you nothing. Go tell that young sista that perming her hair is the direct result of trying to live up to that white standard that dictates what beauty should look like. The European savages still till this day have minds of our people brains washed. You adopt their culture by default.

No offense, but what does this have to do with this thread about whether AA's lack a culture or not?

 

[Carter G. Hoodson]

No offense, but what does this have to do with this thread about whether AA's lack a culture or not?

it has everything to do with it because our ppl do lack a culture. I don't want to hear about those coming in the 70's or 80's from the Caribbeans and Latin America with a distinct culture. We cannot say that for majority of our ppl that are here today. The so called blacks in the U.S. have no culture other than the European reality they forced upon them.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

it has everything to do with it because our ppl do lack a culture. I don't want to hear about those coming in the 70's or 80's from the Caribbeans and Latin America with a distinct culture. We cannot say that for majority of our ppl that are here today. The so called blacks in the U.S. have no culture other than the European reality they forced upon them.

Do you know what a culture is? Because Black Americans have one based off its definition.

 

[bouncy]

Since this thread is back to being discussed, I thought I post something rather than music that proves AA's really do have a diverse culture.

List Of Surviving Creole Languages Spoken By African-americans Today

Louisiana creole = French + Native American + African(Bambara, Wolof, Fon)
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=lou

Gullah/Geechee = English + African(Mandinka, Wolof, Bambara, Fula, Mende, Vai, Akan, Ewe, Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, Kongo, Umbundu, Kimbundu)
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=gul

Afro-Seminole = Similar to Gullah, but less English, and no Mende influence.
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=afs

And one of the many now extinct unique AA languages.

Negro/Jersey Dutch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Dutch

This is thanks to a poster named "Supper" from Nairaland.

Props!

This is why I the coli

 

[bouncy]

I don't believe anyone has made the accusation of black music being europeanize. The issue has always been todays artists of any so called black genre moving away from the sound that made our music prominent in previous decades. The same music that we as a ppl has cast aside, the new european artists have found their niche of a sound we choose to toss away. Today's so called black music isn't europeanize, it's just horrible music.

I see what you saying but, I think Black music is going through a change, and its getting better if you embrace the change. For instance, the Quality is getting better, in terms of sonics. When you look at how things sound now, compared to one point in time, shyt is lovely! That Kendrick Lemar album(G.K.B.K.), and Asap sound, helped usher in "Trapped" music. Trapped music is going to blow up in the future, I can see it coming. This is a recent example of the Black American sound creating other forms of GREAT music.

We got style kid, its in us!

 

[Supper]

African influences on knowledge and technology in America pt.1

Rice cultivation:

"While there is no consensus on how rice first reached the American coast, there is much debate over the contribution of African-born slaves to its successful cultivation. New research demonstrates that the European planters lacked prior knowledge of rice farming, while uncovering the long history of skilled rice cultivation in West Africa. Furthermore, Islamic, Portuguese, and Dutch traders all encountered and documented extensive rice cultivation in Africa before South Carolina was even settled. At first rice was treated like other crops, it was planted in fields and watered by rains. By the mid-18th century, planters used inland swamps to grow rice by accumulating water in a reservoir, then releasing the stored water as needed during the growing season for weeding and watering. Similarly, prior records detail Africans controlling springs and run off with earthen embankments for the same purposes of weeding and watering. Soon after this method emerged, a second evolution occurred, this time to tidewater production, a technique that had already been perfected by West African farmers. Instead of depending upon a reservoir of water, this technique required skilled manipulation of tidal flows and saline-freshwater interactions to attain high levels of productivity in the floodplains of rivers and streams. Changing from inland swamp cultivation to tidal production created higher expectations from plantation owners. Slaves became responsible for five acres of rice, three more than had been possible previously. Because of this new evidence coming to light, some historians contend that African-born slaves provided critical expertise in the cultivation of rice in South Carolina. The detailed and extensive rice cultivating systems increased demand for slave imports in South Carolina, doubling the slave population between 1750 and 1770. These slaves faced long days of backbreaking work and difficult tasks."
Source

 

[Supper]

African influences on knowledge and technology in America pt.2

Metallurgy:

As many of you probably know already up until the greater part of the 18th century West African metallurgy technology was far more advanced than than that of Europe. Well, what you probably don't know that these techniques brought by African slaves was used to fuel the iron industry in various parts of the Americas? I'll focus on what's today the US, but realize that it happened all over the Americas.

Maryland:

"According to Jean Libby, in her study of slave ironworkers in western Maryland, ironmaking was a well-developed craft in many West African societies. Comparing African iron production with that practiced in America, Libby found many similarities "in furnace technology and cultural practices." [92] There is some evidence that slave traders valued Africans with skills or at least those from iron-producing regions who might possess skills. [93] There also exists limited evidence that some slaves practiced their native skills in America. A 1760 newspaper advertisement, for instance, calls attention to a runaway slave "imported in 1760, so that he scarcely speaks any English, but can work at the Smith's Trade, having been employed in his own Country in that way." [94] Citing the recent arrival status of those buried at the Catoctin slave cemetery, Libby offers the hypothesis that Catoctin slave furnace workers may have had backgrounds as African iron workers and brought elements of African ironworking skills with them. [95] While provocative and fascinating, the Catoctin Furnace does not offer the sort of evidence needed to support such a claim. Nevertheless, if first generation African slaves did work at the furnace, they would have brought elements of West African culture with them to the Catoctins.""
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Pennsylvania:

"Regardless of the way these individuals were obtained for forced labor, many of them were
possibly skilled in the art of iron making. The Journal of the British Iron and Steel Institute
noted in 1872 that ―it appears that the negro tribes in the interior of Africa, some 800 miles from
Natal, are extremely expert in the manufacture of wrought iron which they smelt in little clay
furnaces.‖177Despite the fact that outside observers such as Acrelius had seen slaves of African
descent working as laborers in unskilled professions, there were numerous accounts
demonstrating their proficiency in the skilled job areas of the ironworks as well. Scholar Arthur
Bining, for example, declared that while only a ―few skilled Negro workers were found at the
blast furnaces,‖ there were in fact many others ―who were employed at the forges‖ such as
―Green Lane, Durham, Martic, Pine, New Pine, Mount Joy (Valley), Charming, Pottsgrove, and
others.‖ Bining contended that many of these individuals even ―performed the skilled tasks of
refining and drawing iron into bars,‖ an occupation that was typically the highest skilled job
available at an ironworks."
Source

"African Ironmaking Culture Among African American Ironworkers in Western Maryland, 1760 - 1850."

"Adinkra Symbols in New Orleans Ironwork"

 

[Supper]

African influences on knowledge and technology in America pt.3

Medicine- Smallpox Inoculation:

"The knowledge of inoculating oneself against smallpox seems to have been known to West Africans, more specifically the Akan. A slave named Onesimus explained the inoculation procedure to Cotton Mather during the 18th century, he reported to have gotten the knowledge from Africa."

"The most fearsome of all was smallpox, the disease that wiped out so many Native Americans at the time of European settlement, and that also killed large numbers of the English. A terrible epidemic came in 1721, infecting roughly half of Boston’s 11,000 residents. But Boston’s approach to public health changed that year, thanks to an experimental strategy for inoculating citizens with small traces of the disease.

The idea behind this radical new treatment came from Africa, specifically from a slave named Onesimus, who shared his knowledge with Cotton Mather, the town’s leading minister and his legal owner. Boston still suffered dreadfully, but thanks to Onesimus and Mather, the terror linked to smallpox began to recede after Africans rolled up their sleeves—literally—to show Boston how inoculation worked. The story of how Boston began to overcome smallpox illustrates the strife that epidemics can cause, but also the encouraging notion that humans can communicate remedies as quickly as they communicate germs—and that the solutions we most need often come from the places we least expect to find them"

"Mather had come close to choosing a career in medicine, and devoured the scientific publications of the Royal Society in London. As the society began to turn its attention to inoculation practices around the world, Mather realized that he had an extraordinary expert living in his household. Onesimus was a “pretty Intelligent Fellow,” it had become clear to him. When asked if he’d ever had smallpox, Onesimus answered “Yes and No,” explaining that he had been inoculated with a small amount of smallpox, which had left him immune to the disease. Fascinated, Mather asked for details, which Onesimus provided, and showed him his scar. We can almost hear Onesimus speaking in Mather’s accounts, for Mather took the unusual step of writing out his words with the African accent included—the key phrase was, “People take Juice of Small-Pox; and Cutty-skin, and Putt in a Drop.”

Excited, he investigated among other Africans in Boston and realized that it was a widespread practice; indeed, a slave could be expected to fetch a higher price with a scar on his arm, indicating that he was immune. Mather sent the Royal Society his own reports from the wilds of America, eager to prove the relevance of Boston (and by extension, Cotton Mather) to the global crusade against infectious disease. His interviews with Onesimus were crucial. In 1716, writing to an English friend, he promised that he would be ready to promote inoculation if smallpox ever visited the city again."

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[Bawon Samedi]

My homie @Supper finally joined!!!!!


Guys I wanna welcome you additional intelligence poster. A cool home boy of mines from another site.