reasons that capitalism is better than socialism...

[Nascimento]

Valid source for what, specifically? You think you win arguments by linking a definition to "corporation"? That's pretty funny

Advancement, well it depends on how you define it. If it means enriching elites at the expense of everyone else, as The Real has explained, then I suppose capitalism has succesfully harnessed greed.

I should hope I understand it, since I linked it Your position, and the extent of your contribution in HL (along with meagerly providing the libertarion viewpoint to each topic), is "this is not capitalism". All rhetoric, no substance

 

[DEAD7]

Valid source for what, specifically? You think you win arguments by linking a definition to "corporation"? That's pretty funny

Win? no. The whole point is to establish that we are speaking the same language. If we cant agree on what the words we are discussing even mean, then placing them in any meaningful context is hopeless.

That said, you guys have rejected corporations as what they are and redefined them to fit your vision. There is nothing left to be said really.

I now see how easily i have been wrong about everything... I have been using dictionaries and encyclopedias, to define things not liberal talking points.

It is what it is.

 

[Oville]

Corporation are legal entities established by govt. and granted special privileges by govt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation

Capitalism has nothing to do with it. Its a form of govt. regulation that has gone belly up and begun face f*cking the nation. Capitalism is merely the scapegoat.

You keep referencing control, when the idea is for no one to control the economy, and for everyone to have an equal opportunity at advancing within it.
The corps that run the market are not natural*, the are created by the state, as wikipedia will explain, should you be open enough to accept it.

A little confused by your capitalism/corporatism stance. You support unfettered unregulated capitalism and the right of business owners to try and make as much profit as possible. Well if that happens businesses are going to become big enough to become corporations anyway. McDonald's was a small business at one point.

 

[MewTwo]

I agree.

As somebody whose family had to escape communism, I detest socialism and it's wastefulness.

Waiting in lines around the block for half the day to get a loaf of bread from otherwise empty stores is not what's hot in the streets.


All the negatives mentioned can be avoided/limited if our government was structured a little better and had better regulation/seperation of government and corporations

Since you've had firsthand experience with socialism/communism you really ought to post here more often. Many kids here swear by socialism. Would be nice if you can educate them.

 

[DEAD7]

A little confused by your capitalism/corporatism stance. You support unfettered unregulated capitalism and the right of business owners to try and make as much profit as possible. Well if that happens businesses are going to become big enough to become corporations anyway. McDonald's was a small business at one point.

let me try a different approach...

What is wrong with corporations?

 

[Oville]

let me try a different approach...

What is wrong with corporations?

I got nothing against a corporation as long as its run honest. I'm just asking how can capitalism ever avoid leading to corporatism?

 

[DEAD7]

I got nothing against a corporation as long as its run honest. I'm just asking how can capitalism ever avoid leading to corporatism?

By restricting govt. intervention into the market.

Lets not hyperbole this into a zero regulation argument either. Its a drastic reduction in regulation, not complete deregulation.

 

[newarkhiphop]

 

[Oville]

By restricting govt. intervention into the market.

Lets not hyperbole this into a zero regulation argument either. Its a drastic reduction in regulation, not complete deregulation.

I define corporatism from the opposite end that you do. I think corporatism is more a function of corporations intervening in government than the other way around. I think private campaign financing and lobbying has got to go. When elected officials are doing the bidding of those who can give them the most money, a certain group of people will always win out at the expense of the others.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

One is stagnant and the other kills the planet.

 

[DEAD7]

One is stagnant and the other kills the planet.

Oh yeah... I think one is responsible for more the death and destruction than anything else in the history of man(save mother nature).

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Oh yeah... I think one is responsible for more the death and destruction than anything else in the history of man(save mother nature).

Socialism comes after the death and destruction.

 

[DEAD7]

I define corporatism from the opposite end that you do. I think corporatism is more a function of corporations intervening in government than the other way around. I think private campaign financing and lobbying has got to go. When elected officials are doing the bidding of those who can give them the most money, a certain group of people will always win out at the expense of the others.

Again in order to believe this, you have believe that corporations are not created and propped up by govt... something that empirically isnt true.

You mention lobbying having to stop, but only one side of the coin has the power to stop it yet you want to look iN the other direction, and wonder why nothings changing...

The ball is and has always been in gov's court, but they have figured out that if they can direct "the peoples" ire towards corps, and play innocent, they can keep the cash flowing .

Keep in mind only one half of this team has sworn an oath to serve you How you are looking at the guy that hasnt promised you shyt is beyond me

 

[DEAD7]

Socialism comes after the death and destruction.

Socialism's track record is stellar right?

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Socialism's track record is stellar right?

I hope you're understanding me. Im not sticking up for socialism. Im saying that socialism comes after the people have been killed while the latter needs to kill to survive. Both require a lot of death.