Reason why Haiti is trash Economically and Politically

William F. Russell

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A couple points..you're refuting that Haiti never invaded DR, but she just said that Haiti committed atrocities.

Which even your sources confirm :francis:

America went to war with England over less


Ok, but people were mentioning "atrocities" interchangeably with the myth that Haiti invaded DR. Stop playing semantics. You knew I was trying to dispel the myth that Haiti invaded DR and slaughtered thousands of Dominicans.
 

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Haiti had a total external debt of $1.8 billion at its peak.[8][9] In April, Haiti was added to the World Bank and IMF's highly indebted poor country initiative (HIPC) following the election of new president René Préval. In September 2009, following a program of economic and social reforms, Haiti met the requirements for completion of the HIPC program, qualifying it for cancellation of its external debt obligations. This cut the face value of the debt by $757 million[10] and future debt service (including interest) by $1.2 billion.[11]

Haiti's largest creditor, the Inter-American Development Bank (IDB), was part of the debt relief initiative, but the initiative only canceled loans made before 2005, and the IDB has lent more since. Haiti's debt to the IDB amounts to approximately half a billion dollars with debt service payments projected by the IMF to increase in the following years. The U.S. government has been paying this debt service on Haiti's behalf since before the quake.[12]

With the devastating effects of the early 2010 earthquake in Haiti there came renewed calls for a further debt cancellation from civil society groups. In light of the tragedy and new borrowing that lifted Haiti's debts back to $1.25 billion, groups such as the Jubilee Debt Campaign called for this debt to be dropped. Furthermore, during the aftermath emergency money was offered to the Haitian government from the IMF in the form of loans. Civil society groups protested the offer of loans and not grants for such an already heavily indebted country trying to cope with such destruction. Some have argued, however, that because Haiti's annual debt service payments are so low ($9 million a year, net of the debt service paid on Haiti's behalf by the U.S. government), canceling the debt would do little to help the country recover from the earthquake, and should not be a priority for activism.[10]

Agence France Press reported on 26 January 2010 that President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela said that Petrocaribe, Venezuela's cut-rate regional energy alliance, will forgive Haiti's debt. Haiti's debt with Venezuela is $295 million, about one-quarter of its foreign debt of $1.25 billion, according to International Monetary Fund figures.[11]

On 28 May 2010, the World Bank announced it had waived Haiti's remaining debts to the bank.[13] The value of the waiver was $36 million.[14]

Bill Gates and Warren Buffet should just cut the check.

They can get Haiti debt free (I dunno if that's going to mean anything, tbh, but it sounds like something helpful :ld:)
 
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The answer for white supremacy and gaining respect is brehs getting back to science and engineering.

Whites conquered the world because of guns and bombs. We've been stuck in this phase since. It's time for the next evolution of weapons.

Any of you brehs have ideas for next level weaponry and defense?

Lasers :manny:
 

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We became the first black free nation after being enslaved :blessed:
and the white world at that time made us pay for it and made us an example :beli: simple as it is.

Like fukking seriously France should repay us that fukking money Haiti gave them
fukk that fukking country yo

You are correct, if anyone is guilty of what is going on in Haiti, that is France, and all those powerful european empires that turned their back on you.
 

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STOP THAT BULLshyt!

Haiti NEVER invaded or committed atrocities against DR.

The truth is this..in 1822, Nunez de Caceres declared the independence of the eastern side of the island as “Spanish Haiti.” Concerned that Nunez de Caceres planned to re-establish slavery, other leaders on the eastern side asked Boyer (the leader of Haiti at the time) to help establish order. Under Boyer’s leadership and with popular support, de Caceres and his partisans were forced to surrender. Boyer reunited the entire island as dictated by the country’s Constitution which called for the preservation of one indivisible island without slavery. Boyer never colonized nor conquered nor invaded the eastern side of the island because that portion of the island was already a part of Haiti. Revisionist historians (and people like you) repeatedly accuse Boyer and Haiti of having invaded the eastern part of the island which supposedly belonged to Spain. However, if that was the case, Boyer virtually would have been declaring war on Spain. It would have made ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE for Boyer to buy peace with France (out of fear of war with France) just to declare war with Spain. Haiti never attacked any Spanish owned territory.

Boyer’s government became unpopular when it levied taxes on Haitians to pay France, but it took an earthquake in 1842 (when Haiti was still under an American embargo) to end his administration. The resulting disarray empowered rebel groups throughout the island. An opposition group sprung in the south and a separatist movement (led by Juan Pablo Duarte) gained momentum in the east and eventually led to the eastern side of the island declaring its independence in February 1844.

Here's where the US got its hands dirty...POTUS Tyler responded by saying that the United States, France, and Spain must quickly recognize this new nation (DR) in order to limit the influence of Black people in the Caribbean. The United States quickly recognized Dominican independence but waited 20 years later to recognize that of Haiti. With the eastern separatists backed by these countries, Haiti couldn't maintain the island as one nation.

Hell, even years after the eastern side became the DR, there was no defined border between the two countries until 1929 (under US occupation). The US occupation force was selected from the US south. The argument was that southern whites knew best how to control Negros. The border was drawn in a way that favored the lighter skinned Dominicans. Haiti was forced to overlook the 1795 Treaty of Basel that gave the entire island to France and return instead to the earlier 1697 Treaty of Ryswick which gave 2/3 of the island to Spain and 1/3 to France. That treaty predated and ignored the outcome of the Haitian Revolution.

THIS is what really happened during the 1820s. Haiti NEVER invaded the DR so dead that myth.

So they didn't invade, they just came in without permission and started killing people, forcing the president to surrender, etc etc.. :shaq:
 

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Those dumbasses let Mulattos and Cacs change the Haitian Constitution now fukking Bill Clinton and his family owns all the gold in Haiti. This is what happens when you don't listen to Dessalines. :snoop:

Receipts on owning all the gold... I know Hillary's brother got a mine, but all the gold?????? :dahell:
 

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I haven't read the book myself to be honest. I met the author and found out about this book. Reading some of the excerpts I don't like the sympathy towards the French people getting slaughtered by Dessaline. How would anyone react if they were fighting enslavement? Can't forget the French betrayal of Toussaint.
 

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So they didn't invade, they just came in without permission and started killing people, forcing the president to surrender, etc etc.. :shaq:

Haiti owned the entire island. The purpose of Haiti controlling the island was to ensure that the Spanish (or any other superpower) did not enslave the island's denizens.
 

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How easy is it to invest in land/property development in Haiti brehs? Ive been there once, the area I went to wasnt very developed but it was fukkin beautiful.
 
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How easy is it to invest in land/property development in Haiti brehs? Ive been there once, the area I went to wasnt very developed but it was fukkin beautiful.

My parents own some property in Haiti. Basically, you need to have trustworthy connects that's familiar with the area of land and surrounding environment to safeguard and maintain it since there's lots of janky business going on down there. Buying property down there is relatively cheap (so long as you're not looking to buy luxury homes/mansions that the bourgeois own). But you'll definitely be paying for maintenance, taxes, security, etc. It's not as expensive as buying real estate in NY but it's not cheap either. It's risky buying land down there so you need to be thorough about your business and you NEED to know people.
 
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