Reason why Haiti is trash Economically and Politically

[LadySimone]

What is Haiti like?

Visit. My aunt and cousins just came back.

 

[Arianne Martell]

let' not forget that Trujillo and other Dominican Republic dictators, in bed with the U.S, helped destroy whatever economic base the Haitian workers had; the Massacre of 1937 where Haitians were butchered at the line separating the two islands was a devastating blow to the Haitians

funny that you failed to mention that before Trujillo, Haitians ran the entire island for 25 years and committed equally atrocities to Dominicans...

 

[Self_Born7]

i'm willing to bet, Haiti along with Cuba, will be the new, "it" spot to go to in the Carribean.

 

[OfTheCross]

I get that Haiti had to pay France reparations...But I don't get why?

Why couldn't Haiti, after they had already won their independence, tell France to fukk off?

 

[Akata Man Bromo]

I get that Haiti had to pay France reparations...But I don't get why?

Why couldn't Haiti, after they had already won their independence, tell France to fukk off?

France (and maybe even the US) military was going to come through and really fukk shyt up. Its either pay or get into a war you are ill-prepared for and largely undermanned.

 

[OfTheCross]

France (and maybe even the US) military was going to come through and really fukk shyt up. Its either pay or get into a war you are ill-prepared for and largely undermanned.

That's a risk you gotta run, imo. If you don't got the money don't cripple yourself over it. Look the the US came through and crushed the buildings regardless

 

[Akata Man Bromo]

That's a risk you gotta run, imo. If you don't got the money don't cripple yourself over it. Look the the US came through and crushed the buildings regardless

Self preservation brother. Its one of the most instinctive and basic human defenses. If they would have resisted there would be no such thing as a "Haitian" well at least not the Haitian we know today. They would look totally different . Look at what an "Australian" looks like today. Do you think the indigenous people looked that way? I think the same deal would have happened in Haiti. Just my opinion though.

 

[havoc]

Another question is, moving forward, do you think it will ever improve? I think we of the African diaspora should glorify Haiti like the west glorifies Greece. The first nation to throw off the shackles of the oppressor. They hate Haiti- thats why it should be our duty to try to help that nation prosper.

 

[OfTheCross]

Another question is, moving forward, do you think it will ever improve? I think we of the African diaspora should glorify Haiti like the west glorifies Greece. The first nation to throw off the shackles of the oppressor. They hate Haiti- thats why it should be our duty to try to help that nation prosper.

Greece gets glorified??

 

[William F. Russell]

funny that you failed to mention that before Trujillo, Haitians ran the entire island for 25 years and committed equally atrocities to Dominicans...

STOP THAT BULLshyt!

Haiti NEVER invaded or committed atrocities against DR.

The truth is this..in 1822, Nunez de Caceres declared the independence of the eastern side of the island as “Spanish Haiti.” Concerned that Nunez de Caceres planned to re-establish slavery, other leaders on the eastern side asked Boyer (the leader of Haiti at the time) to help establish order. Under Boyer’s leadership and with popular support, de Caceres and his partisans were forced to surrender. Boyer reunited the entire island as dictated by the country’s Constitution which called for the preservation of one indivisible island without slavery. Boyer never colonized nor conquered nor invaded the eastern side of the island because that portion of the island was already a part of Haiti. Revisionist historians (and people like you) repeatedly accuse Boyer and Haiti of having invaded the eastern part of the island which supposedly belonged to Spain. However, if that was the case, Boyer virtually would have been declaring war on Spain. It would have made ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE for Boyer to buy peace with France (out of fear of war with France) just to declare war with Spain. Haiti never attacked any Spanish owned territory.

Boyer’s government became unpopular when it levied taxes on Haitians to pay France, but it took an earthquake in 1842 (when Haiti was still under an American embargo) to end his administration. The resulting disarray empowered rebel groups throughout the island. An opposition group sprung in the south and a separatist movement (led by Juan Pablo Duarte) gained momentum in the east and eventually led to the eastern side of the island declaring its independence in February 1844.

Here's where the US got its hands dirty...POTUS Tyler responded by saying that the United States, France, and Spain must quickly recognize this new nation (DR) in order to limit the influence of Black people in the Caribbean. The United States quickly recognized Dominican independence but waited 20 years later to recognize that of Haiti. With the eastern separatists backed by these countries, Haiti couldn't maintain the island as one nation.

Hell, even years after the eastern side became the DR, there was no defined border between the two countries until 1929 (under US occupation). The US occupation force was selected from the US south. The argument was that southern whites knew best how to control Negros. The border was drawn in a way that favored the lighter skinned Dominicans. Haiti was forced to overlook the 1795 Treaty of Basel that gave the entire island to France and return instead to the earlier 1697 Treaty of Ryswick which gave 2/3 of the island to Spain and 1/3 to France. That treaty predated and ignored the outcome of the Haitian Revolution.

THIS is what really happened during the 1820s. Haiti NEVER invaded the DR so dead that myth.

 

[OfTheCross]

@SuperCoolP_Cal

Please provide a source for the information. I'd like to read up on it but I haven't found any links online that match exactly what you're saying

 

[William F. Russell]

@SuperCoolP_Cal

Please provide a source for the information. I'd like to read up on it but I haven't found any links online that match exactly what you're saying

http://www.bookmanlit.com/occupationmyth.html

http://room4debate.com/debate/did-haiti-invade-the-dominican-republic

For starters...

A quick Google search retrieved the above sources. There are more but I'm about to leave more and workout.

 

[Dzali OG]

The answer for white supremacy and gaining respect is brehs getting back to science and engineering.

Whites conquered the world because of guns and bombs. We've been stuck in this phase since. It's time for the next evolution of weapons.

Any of you brehs have ideas for next level weaponry and defense?

 

[OfTheCross]

http://www.bookmanlit.com/occupationmyth.html

http://room4debate.com/debate/did-haiti-invade-the-dominican-republic

For starters...

A quick Google search retrieved the above sources. There are more but I'm about to leave more and workout.

A couple points..you're refuting that Haiti never invaded DR, but she just said that Haiti committed atrocities.

Which even your sources confirm

America went to war with England over less

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

France (and maybe even the US) military was going to come through and really fukk shyt up. Its either pay or get into a war you are ill-prepared for and largely undermanned.

Also, the reparations was for all the money slave-owners lost during Haiti's Revolution and War for Independence