Real talk, I wish there were more "serious" conservative posters here

[Broke Wave]

btw aren't you zillamaine?

nah that aint me bruv

 

[No1]

lol

@BarNone constantly dips threads and any form of debate



He also constantly places himself on some pedestal as this great poster yet has no stripes to speak of. It's rather disappointing.
I hope he doesn't plan the same action/inaction in courtroom proceedings.

I never dip from any debate, even @VictorVonDoom won't say something like that. He has argued with me enough. He may not agree with me, but he knows that we can write essays at each other. That's probably why he's upset, because I'm fully capable of responding to him. What's hilarious is I never said I was a great poster, and if anything I big up other posters. All this from one comment about "you have never beat me in a debate" regarding one guy. I could care less about E-props. I routinely admit that Malta has sonned be plenty of times in the seum. Didn't TUH and I go at each other just last week in the Lupe thread? The little between you two is cute though. I'm really starting to think that my direct approach to certain things offends guys on here because I don't take the time to masssage feelings when I type so rapidly. Otherwise, I have no idea how you guys get these ideas.




Bottom line. I said one thing: chill on the rhetoric to get those guys to post. But it's really because I think WE can pull good debates out of people from TLR and the Booth who may differ on certain issues. It's happened plenty of times before. That's what this is all this about? Come on guys, you're all better than that.

 

[Broke Wave]

Bottom line. I said one thing: chill on the rhetoric to get those guys to post. But it's really because I think WE can pull good debates out of people from TLR and the Booth who may differ on certain issues. It's happened plenty of times before. That's what this is all this about? Come on guys, you're all better than that.

So we should censor ourselves to get a bunch of people to post with us

Why in the fukk would we tone down our "rhetoric" so the forum can become more idiot inclusive?

 

[No1]

So we should censor ourselves to get a bunch of people to post with us

Why in the fukk would we tone down our "rhetoric" so the forum can become more idiot inclusive?

I didn't say I want all those dudes

I'm talking about threads like the conversation we had on black people's identities, the lupe thread, etc. All very good posts. I didn't say censor yourself. But you're telling me you can't argue with someone without coming at their throat.

I thought you had next?

 

[zerozero]

I never seek to pull anything out of a TLR poster for fear it be covered in herpes sores. I say we go recruit in JBO because the average porn-and-rep fiend is much more capable of transforming into a reasonable scholar.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

your problem is you see everything as a competition "you couldn't see me in a venue like that," LOL what is that even supposed to mean? what venue? That podcast is dope and all but stop it breh.

I wasn't really serious with that comment...geez. I thought the smiley was a good indicator that I was kinda fukking with you.

There are things you are probably more well versed in than me and vice-versa, I'll be the first to admit that. I have no political affiliations, and even though I hold some conservative views, I am far from a republican. All I was saying is that if you're going to act like a political know-it-all all the time, why don't you go seek out people who are really going to challenge your views and hold them to the fire? No offense to the people who post here, but winning an e-argument here and there with coli posters isn't all that impressive. I'm not saying the people who post here are stupid because I'm including myself in the bunch too, but come on son.

Vic you're not a dumb person by any means but real talk there's nothing you say on here that I can't turn to MSNBC and hear repeated verbatim every single day. Nothing you say on here regarding politics is particularly interesting or invigorating....it's just the same old shyt I hear from progressives/leftists/whatever you want to call them: Religion sucks, the rich are evil, Republicans are stupid, vote for Obama....I mean, for all the time you spend posting here that's really all you ever say At least posters like Meta, Type, LeyT, and even Gundam have interesting ideas that have me like sometimes....yours are Why should anybody bother to read what you have to say when they can just go to huffingtonpost.com?

This country has been dominated by this silly two party system garbage for far too long and it hasn't helped anybody, I don't need any stats or figures to know that to be a fact....is that really worth a debate?

Damn...saying I just sound like MSNBC is a huge insult. In fact, I don't watch MSNBC or any cable news anymore. Part of the reason is, I pride myself on being informed at mechanical level on issues, and I don't want to run the risk of being an intellectually lazy talking points machine. I basically get all my info from the net...major news reports, NYTimes, WaPo, Politico, a number of different blogs, NPR, google and yahoo finance, op-eds, blogs, and columns from knowledgeable journalists and economists, etc....even conservative talk radio, even though it's mostly for humor.

So let me ask you this, is possible that someone gives an honest look at the issues and just comes to the conclusions that are similar to what you may see on MSNBC? See, that's the problem I have with you and people like you. I'm glad you admitted you're not well-versed on some things. But it's pretty apparent. I mean no offense at all, but reading your posts, I can tell you are what they call a low information voter (or non-voter). I can tell by that post you made about Clinton and Obama's respective jobs on the economy that you're not really paying attention and not really informed and you just speak in surface level generalities.

You may not want to be as much of a wonk as someone like me, but at the same time, I would take you to task for all your dismissive potshots about "liberal Obama MSNBC-watching Obama dikkriders" and so forth because you're not really informed. Being nonpartisan doesn't put you above the fray. Your frame of reference is skewed by the same left-right Fox/MSNBC matrix you decry. You see it as just two equal sides having a pissing contest, and there's some truth to that. But in reality, centrist Democratic Reagan-lite policy vs. "Obama is a radical socialist who wants to take your money and redistribute it" isn't a real debate when one "side" is actually anchored in reality and the other isn't.

The problem is things are so fukked up now that what was once logical sanity is considered left wing according to mainstream political dialogue. Science apparently is liberal now. Understanding evolution and climate change is left wing now. Basic ass economics: cutting taxes and increasing spending during a recession then raising taxes and cutting spending during normal growth periods is left now. Obama's top advisor was a disciple of Milton Friedman, yet Obama is a radical left winger.

Do you get my point? I'm fiscally conservative! That's why I supported Clinton the guy who left office with a $2 trillion surplus, and Obama, the guy who makes sure the things in his budget are paid for by cutting elsewhere or raising revenue. That's why I don't support Reagan, the guy who quadrupled the national debt, or Bush, the guy who cut taxes on the rich while putting two wars and a new giant entitlement program on the credit card.

Often what passes for liberalism in the mainstream political dialogue is what we once just called sanity. No one should be a zombie follower or any party of ideology, but it is imperative to call BULLshyt BULLshyt and all this stuff about "Well, we need to hear both sides and be fair to both sides" stuff is doing a disservice when one side is pure bullshyt. Why don't we just have a debate about whether babies come from two people having sex and a woman giving birth or whether they're brought by a stork?

And again, I'm not calling conservatism bullshyt because many "real" conservatives, people who would liken themselves as upholding Goldwater's legacy don't call these assclowns on Fox News or in teabag hats conservatives. But we need to be able to discern and separate garbage from reality, and just saying "Well both sides do blah, blah, blah" isn't helpful.

 

[Broke Wave]

I didn't say I want all those dudes

I'm talking about threads like the conversation we had on black people's identities, the lupe thread, etc. All very good posts. I didn't say censor yourself. But you're telling me you can't argue with someone without coming at their throat.

I thought you had next?

I don't come at peoples throats, but I respect it if someone wants to come at someones throat. I mean there has to be a place for intellectual discussion without having to baby the other person, and I don't mean that condescendingly like I don't need to be babied, but peoples interest on this website doesn't coincide with ours.

 

[No1]

I never seek to pull anything out of a TLR poster for fear it be covered in herpes sores. I say we go recruit in JBO because the average porn-and-rep fiend is much more capable of transforming into a reasonable scholar.

So you want charmander in here? TLR people can give good opinions if prompted, a lot of the guys in the seum and booth can as well. My point is, this forum is isolated in a lot of ways and attitudes is one of the reasons why.

Outside of going and getting new people to register for the board just for HL, I don't see many alternatives. BP said shyt was stale too, it's not like it's just me. A lot of you have basically admitted that in the past too.[

@Broke Wave, coming at people's throats shouldn't be the initial response though. That was the point. I don't get how you guys can sit here and argue with me about it when people have been dapping me up for saying it and so same people are the ones who have expressed contrarian views before. I'm not making shyt up just for fun.

 

[zerozero]

So you want charmander in here? TLR people can give good opinions if prompted, a lot of the guys in the seum and booth can as well. My point is, this forum is isolated in a lot of ways and attitudes is one of the reasons why.

Outside of going and getting new people to register for the board just for HL, I don't see many alternatives. BP said shyt was stale too, it's not like it's just me. A lot of you have basically admitted that in the past too.

just a joke breh. I actually used to post in TLR on

To address your concern though, I think it'd be good to have people from the booth and TLR and other places in here but I don't know what would draw them in. I think the fact that we're so politics/news heavy keeps the regulars in here... I'd like more literature and philosophy threads myself but there's not enough people for that.

Also sometimes people stumble in here and start making completely dumb threads despite good intentions (e.g. Dooby)

Your concern about being easy on conservatives, I dunno. I haven't actually seen this dynamic you're pointing out of someone coming in here fresh, getting jumped on for being conservative and ceasing to post. I'm sure there's a lurking process though and I wonder how this place comes off to lurkers.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

To add to that, VVD makes plenty of rational arguments and points. I don't understand the need to call someone a fakkit while doing so. A good, well thought out argument is the most potent form of ether.

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When do I call people fakkits unless I'm having a troll-off with Mowgli or something? I used to years ago arguing with Sly, etc. on and I admit that was ignorant, but I generally do not namecall anymore unless I'm responding to a poster doing that to me.

I can be a smart ass and sarcastic at times, but when I'm debating seriously I don't start randomly calling people fakkits and other names. Perhaps you're caricaturing me.

 

[No1]

just a joke breh. I actually used to post in TLR on

To address your concern though, I think it'd be good to have people from the booth and TLR and other places in here but I don't know what would draw them in. I think the fact that we're so politics/news heavy keeps the regulars in here... I'd like more literature and philosophy threads myself but there's not enough people for that.

Also sometimes people stumble in here and start making completely dumb threads despite good intentions (e.g. Dooby)

Your concern about being easy on conservatives, I dunno. I haven't actually seen this dynamic you're pointing out of someone coming in here fresh, getting jumped on for being conservative and ceasing to post. I'm sure there's a lurking process though and I wonder how this place comes off to lurkers.

They don't come in and say "hey I'm conservative" they get murdered for contrarian opinions or as you saw from other posters in here, they won't post at all. Don Drogo's a reasonable guy for example. The thing is, the college threads? Should be in here. Job threads? Should be in here. A lot of that stuff should be in here, but when I was moving them in here before, they were like @HL. That's when I made the conspiracy thread, that was one of the things peopled talked about. They thought cats were weird. I was trying to consolidate all of that into there. It's an image problem.

Don't get me wrong, it's not like I want malc

Oh shyt, where smugbiden?

 

[zerozero]

The thing is, the college threads? Should be in here. Job threads? Should be in here. A lot of that stuff should be in here, but when I was moving them in here before, they were like

yeah I can see the value of splintering off 'grown up' TLRish topics into HL.. just moving threads can be jarring to the poster but maybe organically over time we can build more advice driven stuff

 

[Brown_Pride]

A point in favor of the Liberals is that striving towards ideals is the manner in which society progresses. The founding fathers, for instance, can be seen as rather extreme liberals in their time even though the many of the principles they stood for are now seen as quite conservative. At the same time Conservatives tend to hold that the tried is true and attempt to maintain a consistent heading. Stability is a necessary quality for a society even if everything is not perfect.

When considered both seem necessary to maintain a society, which would die without progress or explode into anarchy if subject to every idealistic whim. The key is open discussion and debate, a public platform where the issues can be discussed in depth. In this I find one side in Washington currently failing as they adhere to dogma and thrive on contention rather than collaboration. On a Hip hop board, who cares.

Truth.
I digs the definition too, it provides movement with with the times and doesn't tie a group down based on a particular issue...but in a sense even these definitions are broad in their reach as there are some that want certain things to change while having others stay the same.

Oh shyt, where smugbiden?

HL is the b*stard stepchild forum of the Coli, they know we're here and sometimes they pay attention to use but ultimately we'll see 100 variations of [insert sports guys name] making a goofy face for every 1 HL themed smiley.


On another note....

There's a LOT of sexual tension in this thread.

 

[Street Knowledge]

This thread is jokes

 

[Slystallion]

I remember when i first started posting in I had fun being a contrarian in the ladies room and the spot. Around my first run in College when Bush was in office and i was taking econ classes i began to cement and figure out that i was a conservative who believed in adam smith classical economics free market ideas and had fun going against the grain where everyone at rutgers hated bush and i saw how illogical they were with the hatred. Over time i realized Bush's economic policies weren't so stellar and were mundane and barely moved the needle and his foreign policy while ultimately led to some awesome outcomes that came into fruition under Obama there were some blunders that could have been avoided.

Anyway i began posting in the booth and the ladies room and my threads easily went plat in the ladies room. I was debating everybody i was a cocky little b*stard too and i knew me having an avatar of myself would make it more fun and divisive. When i started posting in Know the ledge the debates got sharper and i required having to do research which solidified my views and made me a smarter person even though the threads weren't really going platinum and there were less thread views but the debate level was higher...

I understand recruiting from TLR but TLR is basically an entertainment forum and when you are in there you just want to laugh at things political debate and philosophical engagements are on a different level so they aren't the same market.

It is what it is...its like expecting PBS or Cnbc or bloomberg to do MTV American Idol numbers...but you know what maybe we can add a little bit of the history channel in here or the discovery channel every now and then.