Real talk, I wish there were more "serious" conservative posters here

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I may even agree with them, but that's not the point. If I brought in my friends who happen to be libertarian in persuasion and pretty liberal on social issues, they'd run circles around his simplified depiction of "supply-side" economics. They'd run greater circles about it being supposedly discredited when it wasn't even implemented under President Bush the way it was meant to me. (Yeah I'm going to speak in generalities since that's what we're cool with doing). [/quote]

Well why don't you explain how they would "run circles around me" even if it's just in a generalized sense since you're so confident that would be the case? I've never been very strident or spoken like an expert on economics anyway. I'm humble on it and always tell people that I'm still learning. I'm just usually arguing with people who make claims they can't support, and at times I poke fun of them.

Like I said, that dude OGC is a conservative and everybody respects him and I openly admit he knows more about economics than me.

I'm specifically referring to how supply-side economics, based on the Laffer Curve has been implemented, maybe I should've specified that. The policies just cutting taxes while not actually "starving the beast" and hoping that it will trickle down is discredited and one would have to be blind not to not see that.

I could've been more specific on when it came to trickle down economics, but it seems you just feel like being on a soapbox and ranting about a bunch of shyt that was on your mind instead of addressing what I'm actually saying. I'm not saying conservatism in general is discredited bullshyt. I'm saying the policies and ideologies that have been billed as conservatism for the past 30 years or so are mostly discredited. And I am not stymying debate, I'm welcoming it. I'm leaving it open-ended for conservatism to be redefined outside of the Republican party/talk radio/Fox news matrix. I've made that pretty clear, so I don't know how you can sit here and say "VVD is equating conservatism to the Republican party."

I've said repeatedly in this thread that the Democratic party is more fiscally conservative than the Republicans. I vote Democrat. What does that tell you?

It's cool that you have this new-found call for tolerance and civility and all, but it's pretty odd to hear coming from the guy who types essays cussing people out because they don't consider Jay-Z the GOAT.

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A poster came in here a couple of weeks ago who was backing RP and you guys were and the person genuinely didn't know. That's not how you communicate. Come on, you're all better than this.

When was this?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I am on a car board where a lot of the older members are angry white men. I would say they are about as legitimate as a conservative poster can get. They are not much better than Kingpin etc. They post derrogatory racist videos slandering Obama voters in jest, and are right on board with the coded 47% bullshyt. I only post there cause I find it highly entertaining to watch them dance around their bullshyt.

Look at what the conservative party has been reduced to in 2012. How can anyone with a brain support them?

 

[NoMayo15]

I am on a car board where a lot of the older members are angry white men. I would say they are about as legitimate as a conservative poster can get. They are not much better than Kingpin etc. They post derrogatory racist videos slandering Obama voters in jest, and are right on board with the coded 47% bullshyt. I only post there cause I find it highly entertaining to watch them dance around their bullshyt.

Look at what the conservative party has been reduced to in 2012. How can anyone with a brain support them?

I mean, I could understand how that rhetoric can appeal to your average upper middle class American. It's a shame to see how many people will straight up abuse the system from being lazy and greedy. Now, I don't think it's as huge of a problem as conservatives try to frame it as, and it certainly isn't half the freakin country.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

And I think OGC is against Obamanomics + the Fed's actions, which doesn't mean he's necessarily in support of the GOP

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

And I think OGC is against Obamanomics + the Fed's actions, which doesn't mean he's necessarily in support of the GOP

Yeah I don't think he supports the GOP. But he can be described as conservative and nobody shyts on him because he generally comes equipped, belying Bar None's notion that all conservatives would inevitably be shouted down.

Look at the conservatives we're usually arguing against here...Gundam, Meta, Kingpin, Sly...

Nobody who brings facts and logic and isn't a blind ideologue gets treated unfairly by the reasonable posters here.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

All of the liberals here are just as dogmatic as the conservatives, don't kid yourself acri...it's just that the liberals have the luxury of being the majority on this forum. Every liberal here defends Obama no matter what, dikk-rides liberal personalities like Jon Stewart and Bill Maher, hates fox news and reps for msnbc, etc....it's a joke.

 

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Every liberal here defends Obama no matter what,

Complete bullshyt.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

VVD real talk, if you are so convinced that liberalism is the truth that will set Americans free, why do you waste so much time here preaching to the choir? Do you do it for the daps? If almost everybody here already agrees with you, aren't you wasting your time? WHy aren't you on conservative forums, or on forums that are more split in terms of political views trying to get more people on your side? All you do here is post articles that are partial to some liberal talking point, the usual suspects agree with you, then 1 or 2 posters will post a dissenting opinion and then get piled on by the liberal wolf pack until it isn't worth posting anymore. What do y'all get out of that?

 

[tru_m.a.c]

All of the liberals here are just as dogmatic as the conservatives, don't kid yourself acri...it's just that the liberals have the luxury of being the majority on this forum. Every liberal here defends Obama no matter what, dikk-rides liberal personalities like Jon Stewart and Bill Maher, hates fox news and reps for msnbc, etc....it's a joke.

Please prove this

I'll give you a full week if you need

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

VVD real talk, if you are so convinced that liberalism is the truth that will set Americans free, why do you waste so much time here preaching to the choir? Do you do it for the daps? If almost everybody here already agrees with you, aren't you wasting your time? WHy aren't you on conservative forums, or on forums that are more split in terms of political views trying to get more people on your side? All you do here is post articles that are partial to some liberal talking point, the usual suspects agree with you, then 1 or 2 posters will post a dissenting opinion and then get piled on by the liberal wolf pack until it isn't worth posting anymore. What do y'all get out of that?

Lol...when have I ever implied liberalism is the truth that will set people free? I've always been pragmatic, never an ideologue. I don't even like the liberal label.

I initially started posting on for hip-hop, not politics. I like this site. I don't post anywhere else. I already probably post too much here as is.

But I agree with the ts and would like to see more reasonable intelligent conservative posters.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Please prove this

I'll give you a full week if you need

any unbiased person reading this forum can see that. Most people here are black (I think) and in their early to mid 20's so it's a little bit expected for them to fukk with Obama but for the OP to act like they are so much more different from the conservatives who are just as loyal to their gang is complete bullshyt.

 

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All of the liberals here are just as dogmatic as the conservatives, don't kid yourself acri...it's just that the liberals have the luxury of being the majority on this forum. Every liberal here defends Obama no matter what, dikk-rides liberal personalities like Jon Stewart and Bill Maher, hates fox news and reps for msnbc, etc....it's a joke.

BS, Obama gets plenty of criticism on here, and rightly so.

And regardless of that, everything isn't about Obama. Personally I'm more interested in people making actual arguments for conservative policies instead of complaining every time Obama farts or coughs, which is pretty much all I see conservative posters on here do.

And I mean arguments that can be taken seriously. For example if universal healthcare is the subject, and the only "conservative" argument I'm seeing against it is "poor people are lazy and fat and stupid and I don't want my taxes paying to help them", then it's not going to be taken seriously and shouldn't be.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

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"No one can take these things seriously" - This is not a fact. Neither is the fact that he equates conservative with card-carrying Republican. Many people are Democrats and don't subscribe to VVD's atheist shyt that he's always on.

He cannot factually prove the statements he made. He can support them, but that does not make them fact. I may even agree with them, but that's not the point. If I brought in my friends who happen to be libertarian in persuasion and pretty liberal on social issues, they'd run circles around his simplified depiction of "supply-side" economics. They'd run greater circles about it being supposedly discredited when it wasn't even implemented under President Bush the way it was meant to me. (Yeah I'm going to speak in generalities since that's what we're cool with doing).

It would even more foolish when you point out that part of the group of guys advising Obama is a person (name is escaping me) from the same brand of Chicago School economics as the person who advised the Bush administration. That's why a lot of that huffing and puffing is bullshyt and when the election was over, Obama signed the same free trade agreements and enacted a lot of other measures. WHICH always happens.


But I'm not even here to tell you what a fact is and give examples of where I disagree with his post or where I do agree.

But your post is the PERFECT caricature of what people before you said, a liberal circle-jerk and a to any contrarian opinion. Worst, you're defending overtly aggressive ways of coming at posters while you all are always reporting posts that in anyway bothers any of your feelings or ruins your flow. A poster came in here a couple of weeks ago who was backing RP and you guys were and the person genuinely didn't know. That's not how you communicate. Come on, you're all better than this.

I don't even really want to get into it at this hour of the night.

Def was not me because I haven't engaged in a ron paul debate in some time.........

Again, it wouldn't seem like such a beat down, if the muhfukkas stepping into the ring actually trained for their bout.

You're getting mad at the "liberals" on this board who pounce on weakness instead of the weakness itself.

I thought it was liberals who were in favor of a nanny state. But here all I'm hearing is, "Stop bullying them and allow a debate to take place." NO! Them nikkas should've gotten squashed out in the 08 election in the first place. At least I can sit here and admit I'm not about fukkn with the other side.

This is why we still have to put up with Fox. Because folks still consider "respecting" someone's right to be wrong as sufficient reason to allow them to speak. No nikka, if you're wrong, you're wrong. Why do you we allow folks to be wrong just because we don't wanna seem like we're attacking them. Tell them nikkas to grow a sack and go pillow talk with their chick.

While y'all are sitting here waiting 6-8 yrs for someone to intellectually grow, they're out there supporting parties and ideas that are going to take 10-20 yrs to destroy. I shouldn't have to wait til my children's lifetime to get rid of some shyt that we disproved back in 2005.

And conversations like these are exactly why "moderates" get to sneak through the cracks as "wise" "responsible" and "level headed." fukk outta here, them nikkas just don't want to sound mean. Stop defending nikkas you don't agree with.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

any unbiased person reading this forum can see that. Most people here are black (I think) and in their early to mid 20's so it's a little bit expected for them to fukk with Obama but for the OP to act like they are so much more different from the conservatives who are just as loyal to their gang is complete bullshyt.

this is the proof you rely on???

most ppl are black

most ppl are in their early 20s

this is that simplification of non conservatives, that keeps them muhfukkas alive

you've just given power to their "those blacks and those youths" are against us mentality

 

[Brown_Pride]

It's not even just civility. It's boredom. The best threads we've had on here are when people with different viewpoints start getting in and people who don't usually post here. Look @ the Lupe thread, look at the thread on the role of black americans and shared identity or not? Etc.,

Plain and simple, the board is better when it does not involve the usual cast of characters. It makes the rest of us better posters too because you can't just laugh and dismiss someone as a caricature.

I already know that in any given thread if The Real, daze, VVD, Serious and some others have posted then anything I would've said is already covered.

That's not Higher Learning, that's Higher General Concensus.

we mos def need new blood. Thing is there are about 5-10 people who have been at this shyt for years. I'm sure most people could break down a few posters views. If i see a religious thread I take a peek, i know who's in there, i know what they are going to say so i keep it moving.

We are a rough crowd though in terms of breaking your way in. I could see how some people might be intimidated to speak their mind.
Half the guys in here take this approach when it comes to wanting to debate or discuss.


I've always said that "HL" was a news opinion show with a healthy dose of "The Dozens" if you can't talk shyt and or get shyt talked to you while also defending your point then this hasn't traditionally been the place for you.