Real talk, I wish there were more "serious" conservative posters here

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Dusty Bake Activate

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As one of the few conservative posters here, any actual attempt at criticism becomes another thread of name calling and juvenile insults. You people aren't trying to hear a different viewpoint, just more cosigning of your boy Obama and his hideous policies.
lol...bruh, you are going to make me fall out of my chair laughing. You are probably THE most insulting, abrasive poster in KTL/HL. Stop it.

Most people gradually build to insults during an intense exchange. You enter every single discussion calling people cocksuckers, idiots, pieces of shyt, etc. from jump.

This is the last thread I recall you posting in and this was how you entered the discussion.

All you people shytting on Lupe for expressing his views on voting are pathetic and need to shut the fukk up. Lupe has every right to NOT vote, as well as every right to let everyone know how he feels about voting for the simple fact that he is a TAX PAYING CITIZEN. I know most of you nikkas don't pay taxes so you feel voting is the only thing that makes you a citizen, but TAX paying citizens (like myself) who actually fund the heinous acts that the US participates on the regular have every right to let be known their displeasure with which the direction the country is heading. If Lupe feels as a tax paying citizen that the two demons presented to us by the pseudo political parties don't represent his views, then he has every right to NOT VOTE. I know alot of you clowns believe in the lesser of two evils nonsense, but brothers like Lupe and myself refuse to vote for ANY type of evil, regardless of the color it represents.

And for those of you morons bringing up the civil rights struggles, please show me where MLK, Malcom, Marcus, Eldridge Cleaver, or the other freedom fighter wasted time organizing voting drives in order to get the voice of black people heard? Any one who knows even a modicum of history knows that the original leaders of the civil rights where all about EQUALITY. They knew politicians were not the ones to achieve that aim, and instead organized mass movements educate and organize people in an effort to mitigate the injustice being perpetrated on them by the evil system they found themselves in. Many of the leaders didn't give a fukk about voting because they knew the system was inherently corrupt and didn't even consider them human beings at one point, so voting for demons as a way to achieve change was a fruitless.

All you clowns ready to attack people for not voting Obama, please enlighten us dumb people why we as black people should vote for Obama? Perhaps the Jay Z connection? Or maybe because he sang Al Green? :rudy:

Lupe is a premier rap artists and one of the few respectable MC's left in this genre known as hiphop. Anyone calling him dumb for the simple fact that he doesn't believe in participating in a corrupt and demonic system needs their fukking head examined.

That's your typical m.o. in every discussion. I doesn't bother me. I know that's just how you are. And I'm not the most polite poster myself. But you are certainly not one to take anyone to task for lack of civility.
 

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Might be interesting to have a legit debate with a right-winger that actually has rational arguments (if there are such people).

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Instead of addressing the premise of what acri said, instead you went into a spiel about dissecting conservatism and its merits and about "what does it even mean anymore?" You automatically put anyone who wants to post anything conservative on the defensive. They come into the thread having to defend conservatism in its totality. Most people who are conservative are not entirely so. It's most on specific issues or in regards to specific things.

But more importantly, that would be like me wanting onto a conservative talk show and being hit with a string of things wrong with liberalism and then being asked, "given all these things, why are you a liberal and what is liberalism?" It's just a loaded ass proposition.

"It's hard to take these people seriously", etc., etc. It's like you guys have no skills in how to actually pull a debate out of someone. You don't start from the position of completely attacking their entire value system or creating the dichotomy that you did. Whether I believe it to be true or not, I've won more debates by treating people's opinions earnestly and then eventually talking them down then coming at them like :mindblown:

I'm not even trying to come at you personally, but you and the vast majority of HL posters enter every debate and argument with your guns loaded.

I don't think there is anything wrong with what VVD said

His point was serious and factually correct. Go ahead and be a conservative all you want. But I do NOT have to respect your right to be wrong.

Facts are not subject to opinion.

Cool. Fine. They "identify" as a conservative but their opinions are far ranging. That brings up an even larger debate. Why do ppl tend to personalize words that already have a definition?

Your post sounds like you're calling him a meany.

I'm sorry, but we're voting/debating on topics that effect the daily lives of 300million americans + 7 billion human beings we may or may not place political pressure upon. I don't see why we can't also use the "being defensive" excuse???
 

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[quote="tru_m.a.c, post: 1670984"]I don't think there is anything wrong with what VVD said

His point was serious and factually correct. Go ahead and be a conservative all you want. But I do NOT have to respect your right to be wrong.

Facts are not subject to opinion.

Cool. Fine. They "identify" as a conservative but their opinions are far ranging. That brings up an even larger debate. Why do ppl tend to personalize words that already have a definition?

Your post sounds like you're calling him a meany.

I'm sorry, but we're voting/debating on topics that effect the daily lives of 300million americans + 7 billion human beings we may or may not place political pressure upon. I don't see why we can't also use the "being defensive" excuse???[/quote]

"No one can take these things seriously" - This is not a fact. Neither is the fact that he equates conservative with card-carrying Republican. Many people are Democrats and don't subscribe to VVD's atheist shyt that he's always on.

He cannot factually prove the statements he made. He can support them, but that does not make them fact. I may even agree with them, but that's not the point. If I brought in my friends who happen to be libertarian in persuasion and pretty liberal on social issues, they'd run circles around his simplified depiction of "supply-side" economics. They'd run greater circles about it being supposedly discredited when it wasn't even implemented under President Bush the way it was meant to me. (Yeah I'm going to speak in generalities since that's what we're cool with doing).

It would even more foolish when you point out that part of the group of guys advising Obama is a person (name is escaping me) from the same brand of Chicago School economics as the person who advised the Bush administration. That's why a lot of that huffing and puffing is bullshyt and when the election was over, Obama signed the same free trade agreements and enacted a lot of other measures. WHICH always happens.


But I'm not even here to tell you what a fact is and give examples of where I disagree with his post or where I do agree.

But your post is the PERFECT caricature of what people before you said, a liberal circle-jerk and a :sitdown: to any contrarian opinion. Worst, you're defending overtly aggressive ways of coming at posters while you all are always reporting posts that in anyway bothers any of your feelings or ruins your flow. A poster came in here a couple of weeks ago who was backing RP and you guys were :sitdown: and the person genuinely didn't know. That's not how you communicate. Come on, you're all better than this.

I don't even really want to get into it at this hour of the night.
 

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BarNone, you do have a point but you do have to take into account this is an election year so everyone is a little

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itll subside somewhat when Romney takes his L.
 
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Legitimate argument means making an argument that appeals to only thing connects to Liberals and that's emotions.
 
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Diversity is good, right?

It'd be cool to actually have posters on here giving legitimate arguments in favor of right-wing policies. Might be interesting to have a legit debate with a right-winger that actually has rational arguments (if there are such people). The closest thing we have on here would be complaints about Obama (or other Democrats), but we don't have many posters actually advocating for conservative policies. I'd be interested in hearing the intellectual arguments for things like neocon foreign policy, lower taxes for the wealthy, etc.

It seems like just about all of the (few) right wing posters on here are either trolls, paranoid conspiracy theorists, adhominem-ers ("You're a lazy bum that wants to leech off the government!") or people that just repeat what they heard on FOX News last night.

If anybody here posts on other boards with more serious conservatives they should invite them here

I won't ever send an invite to my friends to write on this site. It's pointless.

Who are you? You think you're deserving of a legitimate argument?

You think this site is high on the totem pole? I think you need to recognize your place in the world right now.

Ask yourself if you even accept the fundamental principles of conservatism. If you don't, what's the whole point of even arguing with you or anyone else in the first place.
 

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BarNone, you do have a point but you do have to take into account this is an election year so everyone is a little

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itll subside somewhat when Romney takes his L.

Nah fam, they were like this on KTL too. The funny thing is, they don't talk like that on the podcast, they know that's not how you get a debate out of people. That's not how you get what you want.

I would rather you give me your detailed response and justification and I refute that (even if I think it's stupid) then for me to dismiss you and for you to not want to post at all because of my nature. That gets nothing done. It still leaves you with the option of saying I distorted your position, etc. Further, I don't argue with people for the sake of winning. I argue with people when I feel there's a point I want to make or if there's something I disagree with, but if in the course of that, I'm proven wrong then :manny:

Remember this: "It'll be different on the podcast because I won't have the benefit of Google." Cats are arguing for the sake of winning and that's why we get nowhere. When you have debates earnestly, you're much more likely to find common ground.

Yet, I'm somehow wrong for pointing out that cats who got on a podcast and say, "I'm not really an econ dude but...," sat here and tried to define the failures of supply side economics in 2 sentences and follow it up by saying "you can't take these opinions seriously" is clearly the example I'm talking about. Just look at this thread, for all they know I could purposefully be playing contrarian right now :mjpls: just to prove a point.
 

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Fair enough. I was never on sohh (:youngsabo:) so i dont have the background. I reckon moderating this subforum must be annoying as shyt, because we're supposed to have higher standards but who makes those standards? And how can we enforce civil debates with even the most frequent dudes here doing some obvious :troll:?
 

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Barnone has his philosophical meter on the special meter...dude has been on fire with his analysis

I see why he is mod,I apologize for ever coming at him before. Now I think this place would be boring if people didn't display their true thoughts and the insults and abrasive nature of the posts never bothered me because I know if people knew me in real life they wouldn't find a need to insult me and we would get along rather well outside of the anonymous nature of forums.
 

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I'd be interested in hearing the intellectual arguments for things like neocon foreign policy, lower taxes for the wealthy, etc.

HOLLYWOOD WILL TAKE A CRACK AT IT, BROTHER!

PRE-EMPTIVE WAR MAY BE A NECESSARY EVIL IN THE INFORMATION AGE, BROTHER! WITH U.S. INTERESTS SCATTERED ABROAD, THERE MAY BE NO GOOD REASON TO WAIT UNTIL THOSE INTERESTS HAVE BEEN COMPROMISED BY RADICALIZED ENEMIES TO INTERVENE, DUDE! WHY WAIT FOR A 9/11 TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU KNOW THERE'S A HIGH PROBABILITY THAT SUCH A TERRORIST STRIKE WILL EVENTUALLY TAKE PLACE, BROTHER? WHY NOT STOP THE PROBLEM BEFORE IT BEGINS?

THERE IS THE ISSUE OF "BLOWBACK" FROM FOREIGN INTERVENTIONISM, BUT WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH SELF-INTERESTED NATIONSTATES IN THIS GAME, DUDE! WE'RE DEALING WITH PERFECTLY IRRATIONAL RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISTS, BROTHER! THEY'RE GOING TO HATE "THE WEST" WHETHER WE MOVE UNILATERALLY OR NOT BECAUSE WE LET WOMEN DRESS HOW THEY WANT AND LEARN TO READ, BROTHER!

ON THE OTHER HAND, THESE CONFLICTS WITH NON-STATE ACTORS MAY SIMPLY BE PROXIES FOR OUR ECONOMIC COMPETITIONS WITH RUSSIA AND CHINA, DUDE! IN THAT CASE, WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT THE USA TO COMPETE WITH SUCH ANTI-DEM0OCRATIC INFLUENCES? RUSSIA IS BASICALLY RUN BY THE MOB (AND NIKOLAI VOLKOFF, THAT b*stard) AND CHINA IS OWNED BY A SMALL ENCLAVE OF PARTY MEMBERS! THESE ARE INTERNATIONAL FORCES FOR TYRANNY, BROTHER! THEY WANT IPOD SWEATSHOP LABOR TO BE THE NORM! THE FACT THAT AMERICAN CONSUMERISM COMPOUNDS THAT PROBLEM IS ANOTHER ISSUE ENTIRELY, MEAN GENE!


AS FOR PROGRESSIVE TAXATION, HOLLYWOOD FINDS THAT A TEDIOUS DEBATE!
 

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"No one can take these things seriously" - This is not a fact. Neither is the fact that he equates conservative with card-carrying Republican.

:snoop: Read my posts in this thread again. Maybe you just skimmed them or didn't bother reading them, but you're completely distorting what I said. Pointing out that Obama is being advised by Friedmanite Larry Summers only supports what I'm saying.
 
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