Real talk, how come Jordan's name isn't brought up in the GOAT shooter conversations?

[HabitualChiller]

Maybe because he was trash at shooting 3s:Bronshrug:?

 

[I AM WE ARE]

you down 2 last possession of the game, curry or mj to win?
no cap, honest question

 

[Columbo]

I agree with this but by default this basically applies to Kobe as well

So Kobe and Mike as the goat shooters...i cant disagree with that

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

I remember on nbatv they were talking about best mid range game of all time and someone was like, "what about jordan?" and someone responded, i think it was steve smith, like, "man he's already the GOAT. We already know about MJ. He don't count." and I think that's how a lot of people feel. He dominates the GOAT talk so much that folks are tired of talking about him and giving him credit, but these specific areas are part of the reason why he's thought of as the GOAT in the first place.

Too much GOATNESS

Overall
Dunking
Layups
Mid Range

Offensively flawless.

 

[TaxCollector13459]

I agree with this but by default this basically applies to Kobe as well

So Kobe and Mike as the goat shooters...i cant disagree with that

Naw lol

 

[TaxCollector13459]

I remember on nbatv they were talking about best mid range game of all time and someone was like, "what about jordan?" and someone responded, i think it was steve smith, like, "man he's already the GOAT. We already know about MJ. He don't count." and I think that's how a lot of people feel. He dominates the GOAT talk so much that folks are tired of talking about him and giving him credit, but these specific areas are part of the reason why he's thought of as the GOAT in the first place.

Too much GOATNESS

Overall
Dunking
Layups
Mid Range

Offensively flawless.

And a post game lol

Yukkk

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Is the overall GOAT. Curry is the GOAT shooter

I agree with this. Steph is definitely the GOAT shooter but Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, and Kobe are the GOAT scorers.

 

[Luck]

If the goat wanted to shoot 3s, he would’ve shot them at 50% but that wasn’t what it took to win in that era so the one true ball gawd didn’t waste his time with em.

Just some shyt he did casually when the shot was available to him

 

[MoneyTron]

you are correct

every season he attempted at least 3 pointers a game he shot at least 37%. Highest was 95/96 he shot 43% from three on 3 attempts per game

‘96 and ‘97 had the shortened 3 point line. No one would even dare shoot 2’s today if they did that again.

As a midrange shooter, I’d probably put him #1.

NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE, is close to Steph overall though.

 

[CarltonJunior]

So when people bring up that he only shot 83% from the line, you'll have another excuse?

I don't think FT% really should even factor into the conversation in terms of shooting ability, but whatever

 

[Larry Lambo]

Why is that the only barometer for being a good shooter is my question? And thesis of this thread

Why not bring guys like Bob McAdoo and George Gervin into the discussion, then? Distance shooting gets more respect because of level of difficulty.

Jordan was a great shooter but wasn't a perimeter shooting specialist. Same thing with Kobe.

Reggie and Ray (later in his career) would have games where the strong majority of their buckets came from the perimeter. MJ would kill you in a variety of ways. Even when you look at the last shoot he took for the Bulls, his overall game made it a much easier shot than what Reggie would have had to take.

Bird was probably slightly overrated as a shooter, but I'd give him the edge over MJ as far as pure shooting.

The conversation at this point is who's second best cause ain't nobody seeing Steph. Dude single handedly broke the game and I think the rules might end up being changed eventually.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You can't argue efficiency because if the data was available, you can't tell me Jordan wasn't hitting a crazy clip of his jumpshots....or at least on par with the players we defaultly(yea i made that up, wateva) herald as the best shooters.

Jordan wasn't hitting a crazy clip of his jumpshots though. We don't know his exact numbers, but just look at his FG% and that should tell you enough.

MJ only shot 51% on two-pointers for his career. He probably shot about 70% or better at the rim. So he must have been shooting at a below-average clip from midrange to pull his overall average all the way down to 51%. Especially since he didn't start weighting his shots towards the midrange until later in his career.

There's no way you can tell me that MJ finished at an elite level at the rim, and made an elite level of his midrange shots, and still only shot 51% on his twos.

Ya'all mix the very late MJ who worked on his midrange shot extensively (and still wasn't at a GOAT shooter's level) with the early MJ who spent most of his career at the rim and was a mediocre shooter at best. The ESPN/NBA narrative hyped his shooting up way more than deserved. Even in his prime shooting years, there were an awful lot of 7-21 and 13-30 games.

You want to compare? Reggie Miller, Steph Curry, and Steve Nash all made 52% of their two-point shots for their career, and they got to the rim FAR less than Jordan and weren't finishing at the rim as well as MJ either. So their midrange jumpers had to be much more wet than Jordan's to lift their 2pt% over his. Mark Price made 50% of his twos, John Stockton made 54% of his. Again, these are guys who weren't getting to the rim as much or finishing as well there, so how can they be shooting like MJ from two-point range unless their midrange is MUCH better?

 

[10bandz]

I agree with this but by default this basically applies to Kobe as well

So Kobe and Mike as the goat shooters...i cant disagree with that

Kobe was a great shooter only nerds and cacs and c00ns say otherwise. Wouldn't put him in the GOAT shooter category but he was definitely a great shooter.

 

[rbksNgirbauds]

Jordan wasn't hitting a crazy clip of his jumpshots though. We don't know his exact numbers, but just look at his FG% and that should tell you enough.

MJ only shot 51% on two-pointers for his career. He probably shot about 70% or better at the rim. So he must have been shooting at a below-average clip from midrange to pull his overall average all the way down to 51%. Especially since he didn't start weighting his shots towards the midrange until later in his career.

There's no way you can tell me that MJ finished at an elite level at the rim, and made an elite level of his midrange shots, and still only shot 51% on his twos.

Ya'all mix the very late MJ who worked on his midrange shot extensively (and still wasn't at a GOAT shooter's level) with the early MJ who spent most of his career at the rim and was a mediocre shooter at best. The ESPN/NBA narrative hyped his shooting up way more than deserved. Even in his prime shooting years, there were an awful lot of 7-21 and 13-30 games.

You want to compare? Reggie Miller, Steph Curry, and Steve Nash all made 52% of their two-point shots for their career, and they got to the rim FAR less than Jordan and weren't finishing at the rim as well as MJ either. So their midrange jumpers had to be much more wet than Jordan's to lift their 2pt% over his. Mark Price made 50% of his twos, John Stockton made 54% of his. Again, these are guys who weren't getting to the rim as much or finishing as well there, so how can they be shooting like MJ from two-point range unless their midrange is MUCH better?

Your assertion is just as much speculation as mines...I'm not finna debate u on that my guy

 

[Art Barr]

You do not know how to read stats if you say jordan did not shoot the tre ball well.

Jordan is the goat shooter.
all that other shyt is tryin to missapropriate the narrative again.


Art Barr