Rashida Tlaib to deliver anti-Democrat response to Biden SOTU

[the next guy]

None of the mainstream media outlets aired it. The only place I saw playing it was TYT, and of course they were all over her clit because they helped get her elected.

"She said the exact same thing Biden did, but she actually meant it!" They don't seem to realize that makes The Squad look worse, not better.

Exactly.

Waste of time.

Let's move on.

 

[Shogun]

I don't even know who you are, I just counter dumb shyt so if you been saying a lot of dumb shyt recently that's on you.

I'm literally a Libertarian Socialist, a concept that has been around for over 150 years, so it's dumb as fukk to claim they're inherently opposites due to fukking word roots. Not to mention your original bullshyt was that the left was divided between PROGRESSIVES and socialists, not liberals, you just shoe-horned "liberal" into the conversation so you could insert your lame "liberal means liberty!" argument.

Your original claim was "The left has been divided between progressivism and socialism since the beginning of modern mass politics". Can you actually defend that claim by comparing the real movements and people that are "divided" now, or before? Cause I can give you numerous contradictions to the claim.

My god you take the internet entirely too serious.
Anyway...

To your first rebuttle:

In modern politics, progressivism is generally considered part of the left-liberal tradition.[9][10][11][12][13] In the 21st century, a movement that identifies as progressive is "a social or political movement that aims to represent the interests of ordinary people through political change and the support of government actions".[14]

Progressivism - Wikipedia.

Again, if you're going to play the relativity game and debate the meaning of words then this discussion is pointless.

And, to your second:
Why We’re Socialists, Not “Progressives”

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Before getting lost in the weeds, let me point out that this entire claim that "Progressives" and "Socialists" are the basic divisions is based on a dichotomy of Biden vs. Tlalib.

I'm supposed to think that Biden represents the "Progressive" wing of the party.

My god you take the internet entirely too serious.

Projection much? You were the one convinced I'm out to get you when I don't even know you.

Anyway...

To your first rebuttle:

Again, if you're going to play the relativity game and debate the meaning of words then this discussion is pointless.

But you're the one who tried to start debating the "meaning of words". The discussion was about actual factions of people and you keep deflecting from that.

And, to your second:
Why We’re Socialists, Not “Progressives”

That article is literally some no-name socialist bytching that socialists should stop calling themselves progressives....which can only be a problem if socialists are calling themselves progressives.

 

[Shogun]

Projection much? You were the one convinced I'm out to get you when I don't even know you.




But you're the one who tried to start debating the "meaning of words". The discussion was about actual factions of people and you keep deflecting from that.




That article is literally some no-name socialist bytching that socialists should stop calling themselves progressives....which can only be a problem if socialists are calling themselves progressives.

Hey, you got through a post without cursing. Well done.
So those Socialists that I quoted in support of my original claim aren't good enough to convince you. Can't say I'm surprised.

And, I'm just using the regular old definition. You debated it so I posted a link to the regular old definition. Progressivism is under the umbrella of Liberalism, so it seemed fair to discuss it as such.

Oh, and good luck with the whole Libertarian Socialism thing. Are you the authority on the meaning of that, also?

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Wait are people trying to say Biden is anything other than a very conservative Democrat? There is nothing progressive about Biden's career as a politician.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Hey, you got through a post without cursing. Well done.

And you dare have New York in your avi.

So those Socialists that I quoted in support of my original claim aren't good enough to convince you. Can't say I'm surprised.

And, I'm just using the regular old definition. You debated it so I posted a link to the regular old definition. Progressivism is under the umbrella of Liberalism, so it seemed fair to discuss it as such.

The socialist you quoted backed my argument. You can't tell socialists that they should stop calling themselves progressives unless socialists are calling themselves progressives.

Again, your entire argument hinges on the idea that Biden is the "Progressive" and the Squad isn't.

Oh, and good luck with the whole Libertarian Socialism thing. Are you the authority on the meaning of that, also?

You've been conducting this entire argument like I fukked your girl.

You're the one claiming to be the authority of definitions, not me. I'm just using the same words people use to describe themselves. Anyone who argues the fundamental division in the Democratic Party today is "Progressives vs. Socialists" isn't trying to be coherent in the discussion.

 

[Shogun]

And you dare have New York in your avi.




The socialist you quoted backed my argument. You can't tell socialists that they should stop calling themselves progressives unless socialists are calling themselves progressives.

Again, your entire argument hinges on the idea that Biden is the "Progressive" and the Squad isn't.




You've been conducting this entire argument like I fukked your girl.

You're the one claiming to be the authority of definitions, not me. I'm just using the same words people use to describe themselves. Anyone who argues the fundamental division in the Democratic Party today is "Progressives vs. Socialists" isn't trying to be coherent in the discussion.

You're confused. I'm not claiming authority. I'm referencing basic, accepted definitions and citing outside sources in support. You don't understand the process of citing outside sources if you think I'm claiming authority of anything.

Back to the original point...mainstream Democrats call themselves "Liberal" and The Squad and their supporters are far from a monolith, and have both Progressive and Socialist representation. If you are claiming to be a Progressive, yet are calling for the downfall of capitalism...you're just deeply confused. Similarly, if you claim to be a Socialist, yet are in favor of capitalism you're also deeply confused.

And if you think Libertarian Socialism is anything more than a utopian pipe dream...you might just be deeply confused as well

 

[FAH1223]

Rashida had a great speech. Well done