Rasheed: “MJ wasn’t that good of a defender”

[Ukbrotha]

Wrong thread

 

[Tookalossfellbackcameback]

This gimmick isn’t working brother go back to the drawing board.

It's cac-esque attention seeking.


"Jordan's best plays would be forgettable posts on Reddit" is clown talk.


There are highlights of athletic feats Jordan did that STILL haven't been done.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Usually, if you playing against a great offensive player, you make him play defense so he’s not as effective on offense.

So basically, if you look at all the awards, Jordan was an android. He would play defense for 40 minutes and still have enough energy to get off 20 + shots a game. it doesn’t add up.

Pippen usually guarded the other teams best player. In the 80’s, the bulls defense didn’t really stop anyone. In the 90’s offense slowed to a snails pace making it easier to defense.

Which is why the Bulls signed Rodman, and Harper. And I get that the NBA and media feels indebted to Jordan for turning it into a global machine that it is today. But they’ve made it to where no player will ever be put above him, and anyone that comes close they simply do everything to discredit them.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

He’s right about MJ being the first of his kind. He was just in the right place in the right time and was 30 years ahead of his time.

Compared to the rest of the league at the time he was like something from another planet. MJ stans think that he would have the same effect if you transplanted MJ into today’s league. In 2024, MJ’s greatest plays are a forgettable Reddit post.

This gimmick isn’t working brother go back to the drawing board.

He not a gimmick

And current superstar is on record saying he better than MJ and would give him buckets

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

'Sheed my guy...but is anyone taking his opinions seriously?

 

[b. woods]

He not a gimmick

And current superstar is on record saying he better than MJ and would give him buckets

You didn't learn from what happened in Vegas two weeks ago have you, Bryan?

 

[DetroitEWarren]

He not a gimmick

And current superstar is on record saying he better than MJ and would give him buckets

Y'all gotta chill.

To get to Mike's level of skill and athleticism as far as eye test and on paper dominance, you would have to combine Kobe and Wade to reach that level.

Not a single superstar in the league has been an elite finisher, elite at creating space, elite from mid range, and the best athlete all at the same time. Every great perimeter player since MJ lacked something that MJ excelled at. Wade never mastered his mid jumper, but was elite at everything else. Kobe was great at all those things, but took a lot of bad shots. Bron is nowhere near his peers at creating shots off the dribble. KD has it all, but settles for a lot of jumpers. Kyrie just doesn't impact the game like the others mentioned.

Nobody has the whole package like MJ did, and the closest ones lack something or don't quite reach MJ's level. Kobe and Wade are the closest. Luka ain't athletic enough although he can do all those things historically well, he's nowhere near the top athletically.

 

[#1 pick]

Y'all gotta chill.

To get to Mike's level of skill and athleticism as far as eye test and on paper dominance, you would have to combine Kobe and Wade to reach that level.

Not a single superstar in the league has been an elite finisher, elite at creating space, elite from mid range, and the best athlete all at the same time. Every great perimeter player since MJ lacked something that MJ excelled at. Wade never mastered his mid jumper, but was elite at everything else. Kobe was great at all those things, but took a lot of bad shots. Bron is nowhere near his peers at creating shots off the dribble. KD has it all, but settles for a lot of jumpers. Kyrie just doesn't impact the game like the others mentioned.

Nobody has the whole package like MJ did, and the closest ones lack something or don't quite reach MJ's level. Kobe and Wade are the closest. Luka ain't athletic enough although he can do all those things historically well, he's nowhere near the top athletically.

Wade and Kobe wasn't winning like that when they didn't have stacked squads. You gotta have a squad. It gotta fit around you. It's not just a plug and play thing and MJ in today's NBA wouldn't be a 3 and done player. He would be one and done. Would he even be the same MJ out of UNC under Dean Smith. He damn sure wouldn't have had James Worthy and guys like that on his college team as he would have been in the NBA years eariler. That's what makes the MJ shyt difficult because it could go better but it's far more likely to go worse

 

[Shadow King]

He’s right about MJ being the first of his kind. He was just in the right place in the right time and was 30 years ahead of his time.

Compared to the rest of the league at the time he was like something from another planet. MJ stans think that he would have the same effect if you transplanted MJ into today’s league. In 2024, MJ’s greatest plays are a forgettable Reddit post.

Agreed with most of this but the last sentence is too far.

 

[Sccit]

MJ WAS A GOOD DEFENDER BUT HE ALSO HAD THE LUXURY OF HAVIN PIPPEN GUARD THE BEST PERIMETER PLAYER ON THE OTHER TEAM

WHICH NOT ONLY MADE HIM LOOK BETTER ON DEFENSE BUT ALSO GAVE HIM AN ENERGY BOOST TO PUT IN MORE WORK ON OFFENSE

THATS PART OF WHY KOBE IS THE GOAT

 

[No Homo]

He’s right about MJ being the first of his kind. He was just in the right place in the right time and was 30 years ahead of his time.

Compared to the rest of the league at the time he was like something from another planet. MJ stans think that he would have the same effect if you transplanted MJ into today’s league. In 2024, MJ’s greatest plays are a forgettable Reddit post.

I mean isnt that literally every single all time great? Which is why they are called......Generational talents

 

[Bryan Danielson]

You didn't learn from what happened in Vegas two weeks ago have you, Bryan?

Y'all gotta chill.

To get to Mike's level of skill and athleticism as far as eye test and on paper dominance, you would have to combine Kobe and Wade to reach that level.

Not a single superstar in the league has been an elite finisher, elite at creating space, elite from mid range, and the best athlete all at the same time. Every great perimeter player since MJ lacked something that MJ excelled at. Wade never mastered his mid jumper, but was elite at everything else. Kobe was great at all those things, but took a lot of bad shots. Bron is nowhere near his peers at creating shots off the dribble. KD has it all, but settles for a lot of jumpers. Kyrie just doesn't impact the game like the others mentioned.

Nobody has the whole package like MJ did, and the closest ones lack something or don't quite reach MJ's level. Kobe and Wade are the closest. Luka ain't athletic enough although he can do all those things historically well, he's nowhere near the top athletically.

Na we gonna keep feeding this agenda

 

[Rice N Beans]

Sheed got CTE?

 

[fifth column]

Agreed with most of this but the last sentence is too far.

Keep banging y’all heads trying to explain away greatness, sometimes the universe spits out a MJ that is perfect for basketball or a MJ that is perfect for entertainment/music. It will happen again

 

[mastermind]

Dumars, Moncrief, and Tony Allen were all better defenders than MJ. MJ might be the best superstar defender at the 2. I would give Kobe the m2m edge but MJ was a superior team defender especially in his prime in the title years. Especially in the playoffs when he took shyt serious on D.

Yeah, before Shaq left LA Kobe was better on the ball defender than Jordan. He also had Jordan’s motor too. When Kobe had to score more points, he definitely wasn’t as great on the ball but his help defense went to shyt as his motor declined.

Jordan was 7-series to DWade being a 5-series of defender. He wasn’t that great on the ball but was an excellent weak side and help defender who also just caused havoc Due to the gambling.