Rap’s Contribution to Violence Debate Thread

[I'm Blackman]

Good thread idea to contain the topic. I agree with the pin

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

If rap music makes you a murderer then why don't the white kids join Gangs?

 

[critical_temp]

In that sense James Brown was the realest to ever do it as he laid the blueprints for diss records, beef and he bust his guns. Those oldschool R&B cats were ridiculously thorough in that sense, no matter what they were singing about on FM.

Above all else this is about influence and anyone who cannot see how corrosive the current trends are to upcoming generations is being willfully ignorant because this isn't the rap we came up with. Its something far more malevolent and ignorant and the awareness of the listener has also dropped via an equal percent so they can't discern what is real and whats entertainment.

All the while the money men profit from the pain and suffering caused by teardrops, closed caskets and crippling addictions as well as an entire generation misled by thinking this is the way it is due to one sided tales of pavement conquests.

It truly is a question of vibration and the fact that, across the board - no matter race, religion, country, language and other things - they're all being drawn toward something so demonic, friends should tell you all you need to know because what happens to the generation after this? Its all a symptom of a far deeper affliction that haunts the souls of the collective.

None but ourselves can free our minds from the invisible bars of the intellectual prison they were placed within....

So you had to go all the way back to James Brown to find an example outside of rap?

 

[Dynamite James]

@Houston911 @hex

Please can we pin this? We gotta clean this shyt up a lil bit, the Takeoff news thread has turned into straight arguments

Jus let these nikkas bicker here so people can discuss the actual news in the thread


Last point I seen was sumbody said Smino jus dropped a tape and it wasn’t associated with violence or crime

A nikka rebutted and said young urban youth ain’t crankin Smino






Continue yall debate here please cuz nikkas really ain’t tryna see all that in a memorial thread or fr fr when the next rapper dies

 

[that guy]

How can an Adult hear the content in most of the commercial Rap on the radio and playlists, etc... knowing damn well that this shyt is marketed mainly to the youth...knowing damn well that the youth is very gullible and impressionable, etc...and still go out of their way to pretend that there is no problem here?

I know the defenders are just numb and are so used to hearing this content that it doesn't even strike them as awful anymore. But at some point you gotta stop that willfully ignorant shyt and just be honest and real...you got ears and a functioning brain, you know this content is valueless, ignorant fukkery.

Does rap glammorize and endorse gang culture and youth violence and promiscuity and poor values in general? Of course it does...how is this even a debate? The babies IDOLIZE Durk and Youngboy and Kodak and them...they're their role models. You sound insane denying the influence they have over them, all bad.

Is Rap solely responsible for the violence and awful shyt plaguing the hood and society in general? Of course not. Awful shyt plagued society long before Rap. Letting this fact somehow completely absolve Rap from the obvious negative influence it has over the babies is disgusting tho, and anti-black, imo.

The most violent and gangster rap is consumed by white people specifically young white teens because that’s where the money is. The reason it isn’t a problem is because their community doesn’t have to deal with the reality of what’s going on in the lyrics.

If rap has a negative influence then call out the Jewish record labels that keep putting this stuff out.

 

[that guy]

If rap music makes you a murderer then why don't the white kids join Gangs?

Bingo. I’m tired of explaining this on here.

If rap was really so influential then why aren’t white kids “spinning the block”

Black violent crime is due to government policy. Not hip hop music.

 

[Cladyclad]

In so form or fashion a rapper has either been…

Shot at
Shot someone
Stabbed
Stabbed someone
Robbed
Robbed someone
Arrested
Fought
Caught dealing drugs

From Jay Z to Drake
From Lil Kim to Rémy Ma

It got to be like 90% of rappers that went Plat

 

[Matt504]

The most violent and gangster rap is consumed by white people specifically young white teens because that’s where the money is. The reason it isn’t a problem is because their community doesn’t have to deal with the reality of what’s going on in the lyrics.

If rap has a negative influence then call out the Jewish record labels that keep putting this stuff out.

 

[ThirdAct]

Violent culture doesn't reflect rap, rap reflects violent culture. Scapegoat rap all you want but at the end of the day it's a larger, more deep-rooted issue.

 

[that guy]

Rap music doesn't start the violence but it certainly flames it, increases the intensity of it. Rappers are also using rap music and the money and platform associated with it to fund their criminal activities.
To say rap has no influence in the violence and the deteriorating nature of the culture then you must be delusional.

Rap is only used as a vehicle to flame crimes such as when a rapper disses a rival gang member. If you removed rap today it would be replaced with another vehicle. Instead of dissing each other on records they’ll diss each other on twitter.

So let’s stop having this played out convo and talk about the cause of the crime in our community: government policy

Or we can be straight forward and call out the people responsible for funding this crap: the Jewish community

 

[OfTheCross]

I'm not going back and forth with Black people about whether or not content that is obviously anti-Black, is anti-Black.

At this point it makes more sense to let the content do the talking.



Here's a brother claiming to be a member of Aryan Nation to illustrate how much he "doesn't fukk with n*ggers" he even adlibs the bar by yelling "KKK"

But we have to pretend that this isn't anti-Black

/thread

 

[that guy]

He literally says he realizes it’s “opportunistic” to sell music he wouldn’t let his own children listen to and he “has a family to feed”

But if you call him out on that his community will call you antisemitic.

 

[Matt504]

He literally says he realizes it’s “opportunistic” to sell music he wouldn’t let his own children listen to and he “has a family to feed”

But if you call him out on that his community will call you antisemitic.

You're 100% right but the larger point is that the truth of how some of these people feel about us is being laid bare. Once we are presented with new information we have a responsibility to use it to make decisions about the things that are within our control.

 

[QBN]

 

[spliz]

But once again, any uptick or shift in societal behavior amongst the youth is traced back to music, for every generation, every genre, every race. Music created the rebel and rioters, music created serial killers, music increased vandalism, music birthed the gang culture, music created the dropout/vagrant/hoodlum, music birthed drug addicts and alcoholics, music caused promiscuous teenagers and led to teen pregnancy, created the runaway, now music is turning them into murderers.

The numbness I do agree with, but I think that more of a reflection of society as a whole. When securing the bag by means became of more worth than everything else, that allows for the rules of anything goes to be more prominent, and now we are where we are as material things replacing values. Teenagers arguing that "music is just a reflection of the emotions that we have - we have no outlets, so we live through the music. we live our music" has been a talking point as long as elders were questioning their actions and blaming the music. It's a cycle. So at which point did the whole human race devolve? And if you're talking about a downward spiral and what's it mean for the next generation, then that same argument is once again applicable to the previous generations. The only difference from now and 80's - 90's hip-hop is what side of the coin you're now on. You saw G Rap's On the Run video? Or countless other videos that depicted murders and other activities. Hell, those type of videos don't really even exist anymore



Frank always faced criticism for "wanting to be a gangster" in the media. He was connected to the mob. Later reports clean it up saying that he was a pawn or being extorted, but early stories told that he was connected and in...in deep enough to engage in racketeering and such. I'm not sure about Curtis but Delphonics were in the streets, Chuck Berry, Barry White, James Brown...hosts of other musicians from the 50's, 60's, 70's etc.

Barry White was a damn Crip. Lol