RANT: People shytting on KG now? :WTF:

[Walt]

KG was and still is the most important player to the Celtics. Anyone who says different is a clown.

Pierce. Always. Period.

 

[thegreatest]

KG was and still is the most important player to the Celtics. Anyone who says different is a clown.

Pierce. Always. Period.

C'mon breh. Now you're just hating. Garnett IS the Celtics. He basically birthed Rondo and his DNA is in a lot of the other young players (see Kendrick Perkins). For the culture of the team, I really think KG is at least as important as Pierce.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Pierce. Always. Period.

Pierce is my favorite player but if you watch the Celtics you see how the defense completely falls apart every time KG leaves the court.

 

[Walt]

C'mon breh. Now you're just hating. Garnett IS the Celtics. He basically birthed Rondo and his DNA is in a lot of the other young players (see Kendrick Perkins). For the culture of the team, I really think KG is at least as important as Pierce.

No hating at all. KG is a Hall of Famer, never would dispute that. And KG anchored that D. But Pierce was the ultimate closer, and without him the Celts win none of those series - all of which went the distance.

And I ain't even about to address that nonsense that KG "birthed Rondo." Stop.

Pierce is my favorite player but if you watch the Celtics you see how the defense completely falls apart every time KG leaves the court.

Agreed. And the O would be stuck in neutral without PP doing what he do. He's Ice Cold. Kg just... frozen.

For a supposedly passionate competitor, that nikka sure be drifting to the perimeter when the game is on the line.





Duncan ended the debate long ago, and Dirk ahead of him too. End of story.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Pierce. Always. Period.

No hating at all. KG is a Hall of Famer, never would dispute that. And KG anchored that D. But Pierce was the ultimate closer, and without him the Celts win none of those series - all of which went the distance.

And I ain't even about to address that nonsense that KG "birthed Rondo." Stop.



Agreed. And the O would be stuck in neutral without PP doing what he do. He's Ice Cold. Kg just... frozen.

For a supposedly passionate competitor, that nikka sure be drifting to the perimeter when the game is on the line.





Duncan ended the debate long ago, and Dirk ahead of him too. End of story.

KG's impact/infuence on the team >>>>> PP's (11/12). KG was more of a deciding factor in the past playoffs - contrary to popular belief; he came up clutch in deciding games (plus 6's and 5's) all throughout the playoffs on both ends of the court. Plus he averaged more PPG in the post-season than Pierce did as well - so the offense wouldn't be stuck in neutral as you say (19.2 to Pierce's 18.9). However, that defense would be stuck in reverse if it wasn't for KG.

KG was the most important player on the Celtics this past season and it's not even close.

 

[Oroko Saki]

KG still makes a big impact when hes on the court for the Celtics. They cant play defense without him

Garnett Improves Celtics Defense By 196 Points - RealGM Wiretap

The Boston Celtics are significantly better on defense with Kevin Garnett on the floor.

The Celtics allow 94.6 points per 100 possessions when Garnett plays and 114.2 when he is on the bench.

The 19.6 point gap runs the spectrum from a defense amongst the NBA's best to worst.

He goes a little too far sometimes but for the most part his tactics are effective. Hes a very smart player, top 25 all time but he aint got sh*t on Duncan. Never has and never will

 

[Mook]

lol. You dweebs are delusional.

*puts ball in a hoop*

"oh my what a warrior"

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

ZaZa headbutted him, Peeler jaw-jacked him.... nothing happened. Sensitive thug, KG need hugs.

KG don't do nothing.

 

[Malta]

The issue is that people try to compare him to Number 21 in San Antonio.

 

[Walt]

KG's impact/infuence on the team >>>>> PP's (11/12). .

No. Period.

Got love for you, but you invisible to the God on this issue.

 

[-InFeRnO-]

internet hate knows no bounds

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

No. Period.

Got love for you, but you invisible to the God on this issue.

If they both were weighed in impact/influence (both sides of the court in 11/12) - you don't think Pierce would be sitting in the clouds on a see-saw?

Re:

Celtics defense in the regular season: #1 ranked defense rating, #1 ranked in opposition FG% in the paint and #2 ranked in opposition points per game.

Celtics defense in the playoffs: Celtics' defense allowed 90.65 points per 100 possessions - Garnett on court; ranked #1 in the league.

Celtics' defense allowed 123.28 points per 100 possessions - Garnett off court; ranked last in the league.

Top ranked Celtic players:

Kevin Garnett +32.63 points
Avery Bradley +11.1 points
Marquis Daniels +4.0 points
Mickeal Pietrus +2.4 points
Player(s) gap
Rajon Rondo -2.1 points

He was the difference between the Celtics being the BEST defensive team in the playoffs and being the WORST.

KG had added-responsibility in the front court (offense/defense) with O'Neal only playing a small portion of the season - forcing him to move to C.

You may say that statistics are only part of the picture; context and eye-test(s) need to be taken into account. Context/eye test = in over 16 seasons, Garnett has proven he's ONE of the greatest defenders of all time and since he's joined the Celtics, they've been a top 5 ranked defense every single year (before Garnett the Celtics were defensively-ranked 16th, 20th, 14th since Rivers has been head coach). The statistics are just there as evidential proof to say he's still performing at an elite level on the defensive end; even though he's lost x-amount of athleticism.

You say Celtics would have a defensive philosophy/mentality regardless of Garnett being on the team, but would they still have had the same production and effectiveness on defense without Garnett?

You say who would run that offense if you took Rondo out + saying his loss would be more detrimental -

Celtics offense in the regular season: #26th ranked in points per game, #21st ranked in pace, #27th in offensive rating.

Celtics offense in the playoffs: #10th out of 16 ranked in points per game, #11th out of 16 ranked offense in pace; #10th ranked out of 16 in offensive rating.

You may say they're slower paced due to the age of the big three, then you also have to apply that reasoning to their defense, afterall defenses need to adjust and play (+ manipulate) to the pace of the opposition offenses' as well. Translation = old legs have an impact on the offensive end just like they do on the defensive end. A major part of their lowly-ranked/inefficient offense was that Rondo crippled the fluidity of the offense by not creating his own offense (21st ranked PG for drawing fouls in the league) and teams not being threatened by his shooting ability (therefore focussing on other players on the floor - team's help-defensive schemes had one less player to account for). He was too reliant on spacing and players finding openings, which halted the pace and momentum (therefore defenses would have a higher % of being set) rather than creating and capitalising on miss-matchups and attempting his own shot. He still hasn't consistently figured out how to run a fluid offense; balancing when to shoot/when to pass.

On the other side of the court - KG was the most offensively-productive PF/C in the playoffs and he also was the most productive scoring-threat for the Celtics in the playoffs too - leading the team with 19 PPG on 50% shooting. Both Allen and Pierce scored less and both shot 38%/39% in the playoffs.

Point is - KG had a larger-bearing on the Celtics winning% than Rondo did in the entire '11/'12 season, it's not an opinion - it's a fact.

I bolded the related so you don't have to skim through all of it. KG was an arguable top 3 performer in the playoffs (behind Bron and KD), he had more impact defensively than ANY other player in the playoffs and he was the most productive big man (offensively) as well. How is it that Pierce who averaged 18.9 PPG on 38% shooting and KG 19.2 PPG on 49% shooting (arguments sake let's say they had equal-production on the offensive end) and KG's defensive-production/influence was 10000000x more than PP's...... yet you still deem Pierce as more important?

 

[the cool]

dirk > kg

 

[Walt]

How is it that Pierce who averaged 18.9 PPG on 38% shooting and KG 19.2 PPG on 49% shooting (arguments sake let's say they had equal-production on the offensive end) and KG's defensive-production/influence was 10000000x more than PP's...... yet you still deem Pierce as more important?

Dog, advanced stats tell you a lot... and tell you a lot less in bball than anything else. I watch every minute of every game I can. I'm a fiend. And I played at a high level. KG is a Hall of Famer, I will never front on that. KG anchor a D in his prime - absolutely. KG IS NOT THE FIRST OPTION AT THE END OF GAMES UNLESS NO ONE CAN GET FREE OR THEY DESIGN A PLAY FOR A WING J. That nikka loud as fukk but quiet in the post with the game on the line... CONSISTENTLY. And for all them stats, he couldn't make a title run until he was alternating between a 2nd and 3rd option, PERIOD. That nikka is NOT in the convo with TD, at all. And he's below Dirk too. Pierce closed all those games with few exceptions, I watched all of them, and no team D stats gonna tell me a fukking thing contrary to that black ass doodoo log drifting on the perimeter in the clutch. Like a 27 inch Zenith, I seen it.

 

[dem bath salts]

KG is great but dudes were comparing him to Timmy D. Nothing good is going to come out of that comparison for KG.