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This past series has to have been one of the best series in NBA history.:wow:

The roller coaster. of emotions in that series each each game.........:takedat::patrice::mjcry::whoo::snoop::leon::whew:
Real talk, Sac NOP and PHX I don't feel did enough to set the tone/ separate themselves from yall like they could have. esp some of the choke jobs Sac and NOP had early on. As much work as all these top teams have put in record wise so far, OKC could come in healthy as that 7-8th seed on some :youngsabo:and have the top half lookin a little :merchant:
 
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Sure, and that's all Danny Green and Gary Neal were, yet they were damned impressive in that system when they started or came in. Lee, Pointdexter and Carter are all very good role players. Obviously Memphis's strength is in their front court with their star bigs surrounded by defensive minded spot up 3 point shooters and a star pg in the PnR. You disagree that they can go far in the playoffs with that, and that's cool. I have no stake in it.
The issue isn't whether or not Lee, Pointdexter and Carter can equal the output of Green, Belinelli, Joseph etc etc.

Spurs: Parker, Ginobili, Leonard - top 3 perimeter scorers who all are capable of creating their own shot
Grizzlies: Conley, Lee, Allen - top 3 perimeter scorers where only ONE can create their own shot

Where the Spurs have stars in their main guard/wing roles - who can can create offense for themselves and the rest of the team - the Grizzlies have TWO role players that occupy those same roles. I don't doubt that Grizzlies could beat 80-90% of the teams in the West (in a series) on a good day, but the fact is, it isn't sustainable for an entire postseason run - where you have teams that have adequate front court production (in comparison to Memphis) but have 100000000x more offensive power in the backcourt/wings. The margin they have over teams with Z-Bo/Gasol simply isn't enough to make up for what they lack against offensive juggernauts who are more perimeter-orientated than they are.

Which is why I don't understand why you'd even suggest that their need for another creator is overstated.

Well, I'd say Memphis's chances of playoff success are on Gasol Conley and Zbo coming through.
Which simply isn't enough. Conley isn't that type of dude.
Each team has there own reasons, some of them like OKC's arguably haven't been fixed.
I'd actually argue that they have been fixed. This is the strongest and deepest squad that KD/Westbrook have been apart of. The have the shooters, they have the defense (both inside and outside), they have a 6th man and sufficient frontcourt scoring and as much as it pains me to say - Brooks' coaching has improved.
Others, like GS may have been just due to injury or coaching philosophy.. we'll see. Also a lot of credit goes to the Spurs for coming through even when they weren't the most talented or youthful. And saying that its overstated (as if they still can't or haven't gone deep in the playoffs) isn't the same as saying having one wouldn't be nice.

Let's face it if Westbrook didn't get injured in 12/13, Memphis would have lost in the second round, which would have totaled - two first round exits and a second round exit in three seasons.

A healthy OKC team doesn't necessarily need a great back to the basket scorer or 3rd all star to beat GS or Mavs (like they had with Harden) but i'm sure it'd be nice if they did.

Of course they don't, but don't go thinking that Memphis situation is comparative to OKC's. Both Westbrook and Durant are unquestionably top 5 players - Z-Bo and Gasol aren't. That's the difference.
I'm pretty sure Conley and Gasol are near their primes. And Memphis has already shown they can compete with OKC. I think they have enough to go far in the playoffs or take a GS or Mavs to 7 games (in whatever round they meet). End of the day, i'm just lookin forward to watchin all the matchups in the west. And hopefully Houston, OKC and some of the other teams get their shyt together health and chemistry wise before it's all said and done.

Conley maybe near his prime but he isn't a STAR player, he's a 2nd-tier player.... and at the end of the day, it won't be enough.

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Damn Tremont gotta be on suicide watch.........


It'll be alright breh.....
:wtf:

I'm not stressed about this team til Ricky comes back. They might as well be the Los Angeles D-Fenders in the meantime.

All I know about tonight was that they lost. That's all I need to know, and it's not as if I learned anything new by finding that out.
 

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Moved past Utah with that Nuggets win :youngsabo:
But the nuggets are coming up breh :lupe:
:wtf:

I'm not stressed about this team til Ricky comes back. They might as well be the Los Angeles D-Fenders in the meantime.

All I know about tonight was that they lost. That's all I need to know, and it's not as if I learned anything new by finding that out.
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But the nuggets are coming up breh :lupe:

I'll worry about the Nuggets when their the next team up. Gotta catch the Pelicans now & avoid slipping backwards.

Plus to be fair Denver could lose their next 6 or 7 games & I wouldn't even be shocked because their such a strange team to me. Looked like complete garbage at the start & are hot right now. If they could lose to the patch work Thunder though then they could lose to anybody so I'll reserve judgement on them until later this season :manny:
 

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@Gil Scott-Heroin I :salute: the discussion.

We could likely continue on and on, so I will say that if we do agree that altho with a noticeable flaw (maybe arguably their only real/fatal flaw on their team) that the grizz still have the capability to beat 80-90% of the west teams in a series, then the rest is stuff we can agree to disagree on. Like, I'm not willing to champion them (or anyone yet) over the Spurs or even to say they'd beat GState or Dallas. But if they were to beat the latter two, I wouldn't be surprised (wouldn't be surprised if they lost either, but i feel it'd likely go 7games either way).

With OKC, i hear what your saying, and my thoughts with them is that while I'm still not sure they did enough to fully solve/compensate their own flaws (i.e. not sure they're as complete a team as SAS, GState, Mavs.. tho that's a whole other argument for another day) I also wouldn't be surprised if they handed out that work to any of the teams we've talked about. SAS, CHI, OKC, MEM, GS and DAL are the top 6 to me so far with SAS first off principle and the rest being in whatever order.
 
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