Random NBA Observations 2014 - 2015

[William F. Russell]

I know, I overlooked Kerr initially in this thread. And by shytty East, I mean the teams battling out, under .500, for the last two spots. Im not throwing shade on any 60 win season

Kerr should be the run away winner. The Warriors have been ridiculously good this season.

Just for some perspective, COY doesn't automatically go to the coach w/the best record....or whose teams lead in stats.

Example: Hubie Brown won in 03/04 with the Grizzlies who were a 6th seed team. The Pacers were the best team in the league with a 61-21 record. He won because the year before the Grizz had a 28-54 record and turned that squad into a playoff team.

Stevens definitely has a strong argument considering that the Cs last year were 25-57 and weren't even close to the playoffs. Now we're in the 7th seed, exceeding all expectations for this season.

But I'd understand if Kerr won.

 

[threattonature]

Kerr had an easier job than Stevens. Kerr basically took over a project that Mark Jackson built the foundation for. The Warriors were already a playoff caliber team who was expected to improve coming into this season. Of ourselves Kerr has done a fantastic job getting the Warriors to be the best in the West by a decent margin but a lot of the hard work was already done by Jackson (assembling players, coaching them to be playoff-caliber, etc.).

Stevens, on the other hand, took a lottery team in flux, gutted it, threw in young and inexperienced (yet hungry) players, coached them in impressive wins against better opposition, and has them in the playoffs. Nobody saw this coming. Just imagine what he could do with all-stars.

If you go that route then you have to look at Jason Kidd and Frank Vogel. To me it's more impressive to take a good team and turn them into a great team the way Kerr and Bud have versus taking a bad team and making them average. We see year after year that you can be a borderline playoff team just based off effort.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

What does that mean?

 

[William F. Russell]

If you go that route then you have to look at Jason Kidd and Frank Vogel. To me it's more impressive to take a good team and turn them into a great team the way Kerr and Bud have versus taking a bad team and making them average. We see year after year that you can be a borderline playoff team just based off effort.

I disagree.

Taking a lottery-bound team devoid of any all-star/superstar player to the playoffs is a MUCH tougher task than taking a 5th/6th seed playoff team to the top of the West. What Stevens did required changing personnel, changing team culture, micro-management, and patience. Keep in mind that Stevens is only in his second season as a coach. Smart, Turner, Bradley, Bass, and Olynk have NO BUSINESS in the playoffs as a starting 5. Yet the Cs are the 7th seed. And that's mostly because of him. No other coach (maybe with the exception of Popovich) could've done what Stevens did with this team. Stevens did the Lord's work this season and has put the franchise in a wonderful position for this offseason and for next year.

Vogel's team likely won't make the playoffs. And that's mainly down to losing PG 13. Had he not been injured, the Pacers would be back in the playoffs. What Vogel's doing is admirable but it'll likely be for naught and the franchise ends up being set back.

Kidd definitely deserves consideration. But the Bucks are a better team than the Celtics on paper, and were so even at the beginning of this season.

 

[jaguar paw]

2007-2008 Cavs won 45 games.....2008-2009 team won 66 games.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I disagree.

Taking a lottery-bound team devoid of any all-star/superstar player to the playoffs is a MUCH tougher task than taking a 5th/6th seed playoff team to the top of the West. What Stevens did required changing personnel, changing team culture, micro-management, and patience. Keep in mind that Stevens is only in his second season as a coach. Smart, Turner, Bradley, Bass, and Olynk have NO BUSINESS in the playoffs as a starting 5. Yet the Cs are the 7th seed. And that's mostly because of him. No other coach (maybe with the exception of Popovich) could've done what Stevens did with this team. Stevens did the Lord's work this season and has put the franchise in a wonderful position for this offseason and for next year.

Vogel's team likely won't make the playoffs. And that's mainly down to losing PG 13. Had he not been injured, the Pacers would be back in the playoffs. What Vogel's doing is admirable but it'll likely be for naught and the franchise ends up being set back.

Kidd definitely deserves consideration. But the Bucks are a better team than the Celtics on paper, and were so even at the beginning of this season.

Why do you always have to go completely overboard with this dumb shyt? Maybe with the exception of Popovich?

 

[Brandon M.]

2007-2008 Cavs won 45 games.....2008-2009 team won 66 games.

he said improve by 14 not 21 ..what u bytching about?

 

[jaguar paw]

he said improve by 14 not 21 ..what u bytching about?

Are you that stupid nikka?

 

[twan83]

2007-2008 Cavs won 45 games.....2008-2009 team won 66 games.

stat facts that are fiction brehs

and to say by 14 only is hella subjective too many teams can say hey we improved by 5 wins only team in nba history for that
nothing against them warriors i fukks with them just dont like it implying that nothing more than that

 

[Brandon M.]

Are you that stupid nikka?

i literally laughed out loud.....LOUDLY lmao

 

[Brozay]

Ive supported the 76ers throughout their tank, but this is

 

[NoMorePie]

Can't wait for them to do one with the Cavaliers

 

[I'm Chillin]

Ive supported the 76ers throughout their tank, but this is

Bruh..

 

[Darealtwo1]

Ive supported the 76ers throughout their tank, but this is

WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY THANKING MICHAEL TURNOVER WILLIAMS FOR

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

If you go that route then you have to look at Jason Kidd and Frank Vogel. To me it's more impressive to take a good team and turn them into a great team the way Kerr and Bud have versus taking a bad team and making them average. We see year after year that you can be a borderline playoff team just based off effort.

I disagree.

Taking a lottery-bound team devoid of any all-star/superstar player to the playoffs is a MUCH tougher task than taking a 5th/6th seed playoff team to the top of the West.

@threattonature is 100% right.

Taking a team to the playoffs with a below .500 record is arbitrary in this context. Making the playoffs as a 7th/8th seed in the East is basically meaningless when injuries, effort from other teams, strength of schedule at the business end of the season can play a huge part in the difference of a few wins - the margin between the Celtics, Nets, Pacers and Heat - the margin of making the playoffs and not making them. We see teams do what the Celtics are doing year in, year out, regardless of how much talent or little in this case they might have.

The Pacers, Heat and Bobcats coming into this month were a chance of making the playoffs, a little bit more luck/effort going their way and they would've made it. Yet it would be no great feat if they did make it, right? It's much easier for a team to go from a 20-win team to a 30-win team in the East - the margin of difficulty is far less than going from a 50-win team to a 60-win team in the West.

I don't think you realize how historically hard it is to gain a .800 record like the Warriors have done this season.