Rand Paul Filibusters Brenen Nomination Over Drones

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BarNone said:
I wouldn't call being anti-drone strikes as being a progressive issue like some others have said. I don't think progressives have ownership over that (though obviously they were in opposition to waterboarding and tactics of that sort and are still pushing for the Obama administration to release the full documents about what the Bush administration did).
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Military restraint has been a historical tenet of American progressivism. And of course paleoconservatives of which Rand Paul has leanings to are anti-big government secrecy and aggressive world policing. Ideological purists of the left and the right should have reason to be anti-our current drone policy. It's pretty pathetic that only one Democrat no name congressman participated in this filibuster though.
 
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VictorVonDoom said:
Military restraint has been a historical tenet of American progressivism. And of course paleoconservatives of which Rand Paul has leanings to are anti-big government secrecy and aggressive world policing. Ideological purists of the left and the right should have reason to be anti-our current drone policy. It's pretty pathetic that only one Democrat no name congressman participated in this filibuster though.
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Tradition changes, as some of the best written judicial opinions by progressive justices will show you. Those same jurists, senators, and congressmen backed down in 2002-2004. American progressivism has been anti-certain policies (along with certain factions on the right), but recent history shows an overall trend of elected officials acquiesce more and more to the executive branch and giving them more leeway to combat the "war on terror." So if you consider elected officials the embodiment of the progressive "establishment" then no, American progressivism has been anti-military in certain instances but overall they have not positioned themselves as a major hurdle in military actions over the course of the last decade. That's not even to mention that some of the worst military actions put forth by the US have been by "progressive" governments.

Talk and actions are incongruent.
 
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The Real said:
There's no need to change your hypothetical. It's already dystopian. There are already plans to mechanize policing... if you don't think that drones will be patrolling the skies above the projects, I don't know what to tell you.
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what kind of 'drones' are we talking about here? it was my understanding this was about using drones to kill americans, not spy on them
 
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Does anyone honestly believe the government would waste money on a missile to kill someone in America. Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttt! They barely fix the damn roads and bridges here, you think they are going to waste a G or more sending a rocket to kill some nikka or crazy cac down the street? I still think its crazy these "elected" officials are making more than minimum wage to sit up there all day and just talk. No one is voting on shyt..but fukk it lets just talk my nig. We ain't gotta work!
 
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