Rajon Rondo leading these misfits to Playoff position *free Daps and reps*

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Yeah I was talking about the Kings earlier today. They're still 19-23 but you see the improvement
Rondo is obviously fueled by his trash season last year and giving the Kings leadership

 

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Rondo is the most prolific empty stats player in modern history. Nobody else even comes close.

Why do we need to see more blowout games? GS has shytted on Sacramento every time they've played them this season.

128-116
122-103
120-101
103-94

It's probably been the most one-sided matchup this season. shyt, Curry dropped 38 points and 11 assists on Rondo's head in their last encounter -

He hasn't redeemed himself. Karl lets him dominate the ball at the detriment to the Kings offense. He's one of the least talented PGs in the league.

He played poorly in this game. Boogie has been carrying this team (with the aid of Rudy) all season. Rondo hasn't had shyt all impact on their win success.

It's pretty much ALL Boogie (honorable mention goes to Rudy).

Kings are 10.8 points BETTER with Boogie on court (per 48 mins)
Kings are 3.3 points WORSE with Rondo on court (per 48 mins)

Out of all the net negative lineups the Kings have used this season - Rondo is a part of five out of seven of them - equal with Belinelli. This dude is second in most touches and sixth in time of possession in the league, while having the second to worst points per touch average amongst all starting PGs (equal with Rubio - Calderon is last).

Most of the league's highest possession players are doubling his points per touch (in Curry's and Harden's case basically tripling, and that's with all the defensive attention they receive) - that's how much of a hinderance his non-scoring ass is to his team.

He doesn't though.

The team has a higher offensive rating and a better shooting percentage when he's OFF the court.

Comparison with other PGs:

The Kings have a better offensive rating and shooting percentage (.1 of a difference) with Collison on court, compared to Rondo. Rondo's positive impact on the team is basically non-existent.

I'm giving you stats when he's on the court and off the court - you know what he's directly influencing the play. You reply with #s for the ENTIRE team (regardless if he's on the court or not) - how stupid are you? They have worse shooting percentage and offensive rating when he's ON the court - what part of that don't you, @Originalgangsta317 and @hayesc0 understand?

But they don't. I'm giving you irrefutable facts of his stats not helping his team. Why can't y'all dumb muhfukkas see this?

I can just envisage 20 years from now how Rondo stans will be telling their offspring how Rondo took the Kings from perennial lottery spinners to playoff status. Truly the most uninformed and cretinous fanbase in all of basketball.

ARE YOU STUPID OR SOMETHING?

That means his positive impact is non existent. Look at all the other PGs who have a direct influence on their team's shooting percentage when they're on the court. You say he's leading this team to playoff position but it's not having impact on the court. Again let me reiterate -

Kings are 10.8 points BETTER with Boogie on court (per 100 possessions)
Kings are 3.3 points WORSE with Rondo on court (per 100 possessions)
Kings have better shooting percentage - hell why don't we call it identical (since there's a .1 difference) - when he's off the court
He has the second worst scoring per touch amongst all starting PGs (equal with Rubio)

Can you dispute those FACTS, with anything that shows his impact on the team?

It's not though. The level of ignorance.

Nah it's not - it's the truth. Nobody has more empty stats than he does. Every season he took more control of the Celtics offense - the worse they got, and the worse his on/off court numbers got too. They had a better record when he wasn't playing and a better offensive rating when he wasn't playing either - therefore you can't the excuse of PP and KG aging and/or Celtics supporting personnel as reasoning. His style isn't conducive to winning basketball. It's been proven time and time again.

I've never heard so much bullshyt in my life. The offenses in Boston were better with him off the court. The offense in Dallas were better with him off the court. The offense in Sacramento are better than him off the court. I do NOT give a fukk what parameters you wanna put up to show this abstract Rondo impact he has on the team but it doesn't bode well with reality.



Yeah that sure worked out in Dallas last season.

They still are a lottery team. Y'all dudes are bat shyt insane. I'm giving you irrefutable facts that they are actually better when he's not playing, yet you seem to think they are not only a better team with him but that the margin is between a lottery team and playoff status.

Then explain why EVERY single offense he's taken over has worse numbers when he's on the court - not just in Dallas, but in Boston and now in Sacramento.

You still haven't refuted any numbers I brought to the table which DIRECTLY show how much impact he has. You just came with some bullshyt about how the team has improved since Rondo joined.

Y'all Rondo stans live in your own lil world.

Explain this to me @Ethnic Cleansing and @Qohelet

That showed that they were capable of winning without Rondo. Are you telling me that team wasn't capable of winning 45% of their games last season if Boogie remained healthy and Malone didn't get fired - the same percentage of wins they've had this season? You needed to win 55% of your games to make the playoffs last season.

If he had the degree of positive impact to which you are insinuating he has, his on/off court numbers would not only be in the positive but they'd also be relatively similar to other PGs in the league - which they're not. Why do all the other top PGs have positive net ratings, shooting percentages, and offensive ratings when they're on the court, but not Rondo? Can you not see that through him dominating the ball, he hinders the offense by having the second worst scoring per touch amongst all starting PGs? How can that not be abundantly clear to you? The same thing happened in the latter years in Boston when he took more control of the offense.

The delusions of a Rondo stan.

This is why I can tell you don't know what the fukk you're talking about. Malone is the only coach who could keep him under control. They had the 7th best offense in the league prior to Boogie getting sick, better in almost every offensive category compared to their offense this season.

Yeah I think it's time for you to take a L. You don't go by points per game - it doesn't take take into account pace and shooting percentage. Offensive rating is the best measure. They only have the 11th best offensive rating this season. They play at the fastest pace, that's why they have such a high PPG.

They are #s showing you his direct impact on the court. They are not my opinion, they are facts. You're spewing your opinion all over this thread.

What the fukk does that have to do with anything? Porzingis was a high risk/high reward pick. It's funny too since a lot of the main "analytics" guys were hyping up Porzingis well before his draft stock increased during team workouts. Oh and you want an example of Jackson making a full of himself -

-4.4 offensive rating differential own team and opposition (Rudy)
+11.4 offensive rating differential own team and opposition (Cousins)
+13.2 offensive rating differential own team and opposition (Casspi)
-8.1 offensive rating differential own and opposition (Belinelli)

There's only a synergistic effect in that Rondo needs Cousins to survive, not the other way around. Rondo being a non-scoring threat actually hinders Cousins' game and offensive efficiency - i) Cousins is forced to carry too much of the scoring load ii) Rondo's man gives him more of a shooting cushion to stay closer to Cousins or a teammate. That's not to say Rondo doesn't give him good looks or easy baskets throughout the game (I mean if you handle the ball more than anyone else, you're going to get players good looks from time to time), it's just saying overall his playing style is a detriment to not only Cousin's offense but also the Kings'.

There's a lot of noise and EaF in on/off court numbers, but the top players that actually have an impact on the game always have not only positive ratings but also they separate themselves from the rest of the league. Rondo's has POOR on/off numbers and dominates the ball while leading poor offensive-rated teams (in Sac, Dallas and Boston - there's a trend here - not an anomaly) when he's heralded as this player who makes his teammates better. It couldn't be more further from the truth. His style hurts his team - it doesn't make them better. He's carried by good/great offensive players, and when they don't play (Cousins missing games this season) his ineffectiveness rears its ugly head again.

Do you even know what analytics is? I bet you're one of those simple muhfukkas who thinks it's just about shooting 3s.

You told dudes that your team would be better without Rondo?

What if I were to tell you Phil used "analytics" to help him win all those titles you keep bringing up?

Then I would tell you that you don't what you're talking about. Analytics has been used by teams for at least the last four decades.

That's the type of logic Rondo stans work on.

And that's what hurts their offense.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Nah. Would you rather him shoot more? Though Rondo does make too many turnovers, I'd rather have a great passer. Kings already have lotta shooters. They just gotta keep cutting and running and Rondo will find em.

Well that's the thing - he's not talented enough to shoot more. Which is why he can only have so much impact on a team, you have dudes who seem to think he's better than he actually is. Which has been the problem all along with dudes talking about his game. He doesn't have the skillset/impact of a top PG - he's better off being used in a small role on a contending team, like coming off the bench and running the second unit. He's too much of a liability to be a starter.

Kings lose a lot of close games, but I don't find Rondo to be the main cause all the time. It's just bad luck and really bad execution.

That's true, but he's practically NEVER the reason why they win games. His impact (besides getting players in rhythm on the odd occasion - which is offset by him dominating the ball and shrinking the floor, ruining offensive momentum and efficiency) is basically non-existent.

Then we get dumbass threads like this insinuating that Rondo is leading the Kings into playoff position, when they'd probably have won more games this season if he wasn't even there.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@Gil Scott-Heroin dropping nothing but facts

 

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[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I love you @Gil Scott-Heroin

 

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[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Marry me @Gil Scott-Heroin

 

[Made Myself A Boss]

Bulls getting that draft pick after all

Whats the situation with the draft pick ?

 

[Ethnic Cleansing]

he's better off being used in a small role on a contending team, like coming off the bench and running the second unit. He's too much of a liability to be a starter.

Yet he's been the best player on a team that was a Kendrick Perkins injury away from winning the NBA Championship where he would've won MVP (only like 5 PG's have done that)

Then we get dumbass threads like this insinuating that Rondo is leading the Kings into playoff position, when they'd probably have won more games this season if he wasn't even there.

So a team that hasn't seen the playoffs since Chris Webber, makes a move for Rondo, who has them primed for a playoff run, and somehow they'd now be better without him


Your not even trying to be objective

 

[Ethnic Cleansing]

Rondo fukked my mom and never called her back while he was at Kentucky and now my sole purpose in life is to defame him

Sorry to hear that bro

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Yet he's been the best player on a team that was a Kendrick Perkins injury away from winning the NBA Championship where he would've won MVP (only like 5 PG's have done that)

When the hell was this?

So a team that hasn't seen the playoffs since Chris Webber, makes a move for Rondo, who has them primed for a playoff run, and somehow they'd now be better without him


Your not even trying to be objective

Do you even know what they fukk you're talking about? Seriously? Have you watched any Kings games this season?

Primed for a playoff run

 

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[Ethnic Cleansing]

When the hell was this?

2010 Fukkboy

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Even a broken down DWill is looking better than Rondo ever did in Dallas.